Security guard drops gun, accidently shoots himself

pinball wizard said:
Never really understood the point of carrying if you aren't going one up.
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As mentioned before, if you are carrying everyday- your dcs (draw cock shoot) skills should be so good that you shouldn't need to carry 1 up- this is my personal opinion and I've heard of too many horror not to ignore this.
My Glock has a safety action trigger which IMO requires one to be far more vigilant than firearms with a safety.
 
marlin178 said:
As mentioned before, if you are carrying everyday- your dcs (draw cock shoot) skills should be so good that you shouldn't need to carry 1 up- this is my personal opinion and I've heard of too many horror not to ignore this.
My Glock has a safety action trigger which IMO requires one to be far more vigilant than firearms with a safety.
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Fair enough. I think it depends on a large degree to your training/experience and preference within that context.
 
Are there guns that have triggers twitchy enough to fire from being dropped?

Every gun I've ever fired has required a fair amount of pressure on the trigger to get it to fire.
 
Very few guns can fire if dropped. Most have an inertia firing pin that won't move unless dropped on the muzzle, and most since the 80's have firing pin safeties. Almost impossible for a modern pistol to fire when dropped.
The exception (and 95% sure this is what he must have had) is the Chinese NP17/213/201C when carried with one in the chamber. It NEEDS to be on half cock, unlike just about every other gun out there. If carried hammer down, the firing pin rests on the primer, and just a hard bump will fire it. So if carried one up (and any sensible owner does that) then half cock on those guns!
Of course, being the cheapest guns on the market, they are also the ones that most security companies have bought and issued.
I bet they never explained the above to him.
 
Greylor said:
Are there guns that have triggers twitchy enough to fire from being dropped?

Every gun I've ever fired has required a fair amount of pressure on the trigger to get it to fire.
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A pre-cocked revolver is pretty sensitive usually, though there's no rational reason to be walking around with one under normal circumstances of course.
 
marlin178 said:
As mentioned before, if you are carrying everyday- your dcs (draw cock shoot) skills should be so good that you shouldn't need to carry 1 up- this is my personal opinion and I've heard of too many horror not to ignore this.
My Glock has a safety action trigger which IMO requires one to be far more vigilant than firearms with a safety.
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I know a guy who was busy unloading his car after a weekend away with the family. While bending over the back of the car to grab a bag, a couple of BG's opened fire on him. First shot hit him in the left shoulder, second in the stomach. BAM, left arm useless.
Luckily he has a Glock that he carries 1-up and he understands that Glocks are completely safe if you make sure no fingers, shirts, etc can get to the trigger if not intended to fire, so he was able to draw and return fire without having to fiddle with the slide using a useless arm. This drove the BG's away.

Modern handguns are safe to carry 1-up. The 3 safeties on a Glock makes it impossible to fire if the trigger is not pulled. Use a proper holster that covers the trigger and your good to go.

I've seen video's of a loaded Glock dropped 100m from a helicopter and it didn't go off...
 
Happened to mine 3 years ago. He was cleaning his gun and fired in the garden, and managed to burn himself with the hot barrel...

It was a small security company, I called his boss and told him that this guy must be fired but that we also cancel the contract with them since his guys are obviously not properly trained and are a danger to the people around them.
 
Glock26 said:
Very few guns can fire if dropped. Most have an inertia firing pin that won't move unless dropped on the muzzle, and most since the 80's have firing pin safeties. Almost impossible for a modern pistol to fire when dropped.
The exception (and 95% sure this is what he must have had) is the Chinese NP17/213/201C when carried with one in the chamber. It NEEDS to be on half cock, unlike just about every other gun out there. If carried hammer down, the firing pin rests on the primer, and just a hard bump will fire it. So if carried one up (and any sensible owner does that) then half cock on those guns!
Of course, being the cheapest guns on the market, they are also the ones that most security companies have bought and issued.
I bet they never explained the above to him.
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