Security Limitations on Vista

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Leading computer security firm Symantec on Wednesday warned that users of Microsoft's new 'Vista' operating system could find their options for running anti-virus style software seriously reduced.

Vista is still in the final stages of its development phase and the system is not due to go on sale until the beginning of 2007.

But Symantec's communications director Chris Paden on Wednesday told AFP that in its current form the new Microsoft operating system (OS) would "reduce consumer choice" when it came to computer security.

The problem, Paden explained, was that Vista currently contains a built-in Microsoft 'security centre' that includes applications such as anti-virus software, firewalls and anti-spyware packages.

Security Centres have existed in previous Microsoft systems -- there is one in the popular Windows XP for example -- but until now it has always been possible to replace the Microsoft package with security software made by another company.

With the current version of Vista this will not be possible, Paden said. It will be possible to install other security packages but not remove the Microsoft centre.

"It would be like trying to drive a car with two dashboards. This is going to cause a great deal of consumer confusion," Paden complained.

As the world leader in security software, Symantec clearly has a vested interest in ensuring it is possible to install non-Microsoft security packages in Vista.

But the Symantec spokeman insisted his complaints were not solely motivated by self interest. He said Microsoft should try to promote the development of new and better software by allowing other companies' products to work easily with Vista.

"If they really wanted to promote innovation, they would work with vendors," he said.

He accused Microsoft of "digging their heels in" and refusing to listen to Symantec's request for Microsoft to make it possible to remove the built-in security centre from the new operating system.

He also warned that Vista users could face serious computer security problems as the new operating system had not been designed to take into account the latest generation of security threats.

"It has been built for a threat landscape which existed three or four years go," he said.

I'm not a Symantec user, but I'm certainly not going to upgrade if I can't choose my anti-virus, etc.
 
I've noticed every single little thing i do i have to allow or "Authenticate" before Vista will install or Accept changes or anything - quite annoying.
 
Good, I'd rather use a MS uninstallable thing than a piece of crap Norton anything post-2003.

Anyone able to inform us about the fact that there will be a antivirus in Vista? I know of the Windows Defender anti-spyware and the improved firewall (will monitor outgoing traffic as well now)
 
well.. i installed AVG on Vista - and its NOT happy... this would explain why...
 
Well I have been running Beta 2 for about 2 months now, with Nod32 2.5 running with only 1 problem. The problem is that with the re-written TCP/IP stack (with fully integrated support for IPv6) Nod starts eating 100% CPU when IMON (Internet monitor) is enabled. This is due to the incompatability with the new TCP/IP stack. Every other feature works 100% with no problems. Solution: Disable IMON...

A good site to check software compatability is http://www.iexbeta.com/wiki/index.php/Windows_Vista_Software_Compatibility_List

I have had RC1 for a week, but have not had time to re-install and stuff.

And I have to agree with supersunbird, that I would rather run anything MS (as much as I complain about them) than run any useless Norton product.
 
I wasn't talking about using Norton - the article mentions the fact that MS security software cannot be uninstalled, meaning it could/may/will interfere with other security products running alongside - assuming such products can indeed be installed at all. Time will tell, I suppose. EU has already decided to fine Microsoft, and have warned that the current incarnation of Vista contravenes their anti-competitive laws...
 
I've noticed every single little thing i do i have to allow or "Authenticate" before Vista will install or Accept changes or anything - quite annoying.

you can disable that feature.. just can temember where. it was the first thing i disabled...:rolleyes:
 
Everyone always slam MS for bad security. Now they do something about it then everyone Biitches? I already stated in another thread that they will prolly be fined, so Raithlin confirms this here. This world is an Circus!
 
Running RC1 with Avast Antivirus-software with no problem at all... I don't tend to believe much that Symantec says anyway. MS Vista (well the release candidate) has NOT got a built in anti-virus - only Windows Defender and Avast integrates fine into the security centre of Vista.
@LabAnimal - you can disable that setting under Users in control panel (or is it Admin Tools). You only get one warning that it is disabled when Vista starts after that it does not interfere anymore.

If Avast can run w/o hassels its up to the a/v companies to make their s/w compatible with Vista.
 
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Everyone always slam MS for bad security. Now they do something about it then everyone Biitches? I already stated in another thread that they will prolly be fined, so Raithlin confirms this here. This world is an Circus!

There's a difference between doing something about security, and making it impossible for end users to control their own security requirements.

Vista is XP put in lockdown mode as far as I'm concerned (yes, it's putting it very boldly I know). used RC1 for about a week, got gatvol of authenticating every little single thing I do, and trashed it to go back to XP.

*Allot* of people are complaining about the new 'security center', if something's not done about it by the time of release, I'm definately not interested in Vista at all...
 
Sorry, but I really dont understand what the problem with the security centre is at all. The only things that are present there are links to your firewall (be it windows or other) windows defender, and antivirus. MS has even allowed A/V companies to integrate their software into the security centre, and change it's appearance, ie. when you install Norton, it will modify your security centre. It will not replace anything in there, but will allow Norton shortcuts to be placed there, things like that.
 
Yes, Vista Ultimate come with Onecare.

Yes, Tsimo - i have disabled it but havent played with it further - only have 9 days left before i have to re-install Vista or find a activation patch - at this stage Vista isnt viable as i cannot install some of the software i'm accustomed too. Once this obsticle has been sorted i'll be all over it like a rash.
 
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