Selebi could be fired ?

coolio24

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I heard this morning on 702 that Safety and Security Minister, Nathi Mthetwa (sp) has asked the Prez to fire suspended Police corruptioner, Jackie Selebi, do you guys think he will, and also do you think the new Minister is doing a good job, there were a number of reports about Police foiling heists, arresting house robbery gangs, and such, or is it all just media hype

I try to live with optimism, but one has to be realistic


Safety Minister Nathi Mthethwa has sent a letter to President Kgalema Motlanthe asking that the suspended Police Commissioner Jackie Selebi be fired.

Selebi is on extended leave after being charged with several crimes linked to his relationship with controversial businessman and Brett Kebble murder accused Glen Agliotti.

He has been replaced by Acting Police Commissioner Tim Williams.

Mthethwa says that a permanent commissioner must now be appointed.

“We need stability in that front. We need a permanent commissioner. So we’ve done the proposal; it’s the president who appoints the commissioner."

EyeWitness News
 
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Sneeky

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The ANC do not fire cadres, if their hand is forced they recall them with a golden handshake. Lets see if I have ti wrong.
 

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I hope he is serious about all of this, but at the same time I can't help but think it is all just for the elections....
 

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Electioneering.

Even if you fire him now, you wasted our money by suspending him all those months ago and keeping him on the payroll whilst he is doing nothing.
 

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The ANC do not fire cadres, if their hand is forced they recall them with a golden handshake. Lets see if I have ti wrong.

Was Vusi Pikoli fired or is he still in suspenders ? (Haven't been following that cold front ..)
 

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Anyone got any good links to the Acting Police Commissioner Tim Williams?
A dark horse or well-known? Installed to run the new Tetra type initiative?:)
I'm guessing the pre-emptive prevention of bank heists in the press recently and gangbusts are the direct result of this initiative. If anyone read the article please also post a link. thanks.....
 
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this is all for the elections :rolleyes:

I agree with you!

I for one am getting sick of paying Selebi's high salary every month while he sits on his fat @ss doing nothing because politicians cannot make up their mind about him.
 

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this is all for the elections :rolleyes:

That's what I thought when I heard it on the news.

So what if they fire him now?
If he does get the boot it's with all of his benefits in tact and that pension.

Not withstanding what other activities (legal and the not so legal :rolleyes: )will keep him going for at least what is left of hopefully a short lifetime for him.
 

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They will probably offer him a golden handshake. I think we will see him resurface in another department of gvt.
 

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Selebi faces the axe
Police National Commissioner Jackie Selebi is on the brink of being axed, the Times newspaper reported on Wednesday.

Selebi was placed on extended leave in January last year, after he was charged with corruption and defeating the ends of justice.

The Times reported that Minister of Safety and Security Nathi Mthethwa revealed on Talk Radio 702 on Monday night that he had asked President Kgalema Motlanthe to replace Selebi.

Mthethwa said: "We need stability [on] that front so we need a permanent commissioner. So we've done that proposal; it's with the president. It's the president who appoints the commissioner."

It was the Scorpions' Bad Guys project that ultimately led to the arrest of Selebi last year.

The Mail & Guardian first showed in May 2007, under the headline “Selebi’s shady Kebble links” why Bad Guys was such an explosive investigation -- the article detailed Selebi’s links to shadowy figures associated with slain businessman Brett Kebble.

Prominent among these figures was Glenn Agliotti, whom the commissioner brazenly insisted was “my friend, finish and klaar”.

Agliotti, who has since been named as “the Landlord” in an international narcotics syndicate, was arrested for Kebble’s murder last November.

Among allegations reported -- and denied by Selebi --is that Agliotti and Kebble’s former security consultant, Clinton Nassif, had made untoward payments to the commissioner. Nassif was another member of the network identified in the original M&G article. He too, was implicated in Kebble’s murder.

Both Nassif and Agliotti attracted the attention of law enforcement agencies in the course of the latter's broader investigations into the coordination and financing of contraband smuggling activities.

Last June Mbeki -- who has since been recalled from office -- extended Selebi's contract by a year.

Tim Williams is currently the acting police commissioner.

Meanwhile, Business Day reported on Wednesday that suspended National Prosecuting Authority (NPA) head Vusi Pikoli could take Motlanthe to court should Parliament uphold the president's decision to axe him.

The newspaper quoted Pikoli's lawyer, Aslam Moosajee, as saying that while there was "no final decision" on legal action, his client would not take being axed "lying down".

"[Pikoli's] name has already been cleared [by the Ginwala Commission of Inquiry]. Ginwala said some really nice things about him. This is a matter of prosecutorial independence," said Moosajee.

Former president Thabo Mbeki suspended Pikoli on September 23 2007, citing a breakdown in relations between Pikoli and former justice minister Brigitte Mabandla.

The Ginwala commission was established to investigate Pikoli's suspension and in November last year recommended Pikoli be reinstated, although the commission found that his conduct held a real risk of undermining national security.

Despite the commission's recommendations, Motlanthe decided against keeping Pikoli on. He said he took the decision to dismiss Pikoli because the inquiry found that the NPA head had given too little regard to national security matters.

"The report indicated that advocate Pikoli was not sensitive to the very important matter of national security," Motlanthe told reporters in December.
 

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Anyone got any good links to the Acting Police Commissioner Tim Williams?
A dark horse or well-known? Installed to run the new Tetra type initiative?:)
I'm guessing the pre-emptive prevention of bank heists in the press recently and gangbusts are the direct result of this initiative. If anyone read the article please also post a link. thanks.....

call me an ignoramus, call me a doofus, just don't call it to my face :D

but I don't know what the Tetra type initiative is, could you please explain ?

P.S I can't seem to find much about Williams on the net - anyone got a link about him
 

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Just as I posted the last comment - google popped up this article not too impressive

Jackie Selebi is still in charge. He may indeed be on extended leave, in stormy political weather as the NPA negotiates that he make his first appearance to face corruption charges on February 1. But there can be little doubt that the national police commissioner - who is not suspended - remains boss.

Security experts and those who know Tim Williams, Selebi's well-liked, debonair deputy and the man chosen from inside to be his stand-in, believe this presents a compelling dilemma....

...Williams, not known for expedience, will simply not be able to reset the template.

"Certainly not," says Peter Gastrow of the Institute for Security Studies. And George Fivaz, who was Williams's boss in the late 1990s after promoting him to a senior, influential level, agrees.

"The situation is clearly that Tim will have no authority to make any change," says Fivaz, who preceded Selebi as commissioner and now runs his own company out of Cape Town and Pretoria. "That is a fact. I can't imagine a situation where an acting police commissioner could seriously take proper authority.

Alot more in the original article ...lest I be accused of selective quoting
 

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call me an ignoramus, call me a doofus, just don't call it to my face :D

but I don't know what the Tetra type initiative is, could you please explain ?

P.S I can't seem to find much about Williams on the net - anyone got a link about him

Thanks for your following post on Williams, though it doesn't say much about the guy at all.. debonair? eek!.... I was hoping some kind soul would explain what Tetra is.. As I understand it, its a system used by the forces (police, fire dept. hospitals etc) to deal with emergencies on a grand scale... Wiki says its Trunkated Terrestrial radio which means absolutely squat to me but presumably it somehow bypasses protocols which ordinary wireless systems would use...?
 

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toady : it doesn't bypass protocols or anything like that necessarily... it is a secondary network that has connections to the normal cellular network...

And given its complexity and cost, its not being used in this country.... we'd just bugger it up in about 3 weeks.
 

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My mistake..

It is being used.. by at least 9 diff Networks according to the Tetra Association.

But its not some super huge conspiracy, its just a parallel network to be used in emergencies and by utilities and such.
 
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