Self defense

Geriatrix said:
Problem with MMA is that some places teach it strictly as a sport with rules. Thus it doesn't adequately prepare students for real life dirty street fighting. Even worse, it makes them believe it does when it doesn't. Grappling is not so effective when your opponent bites your arm or gouges your eyes.
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True street is a lot dirtier but trust me having those skills do help i worked at a club for 2 years and have put them into practice a few times

j3n0va said:
Indeed, Had a friend who was taking lessons - after 6 months still hadn't been taught to deal with opponents that had weapons :/ fail IMO
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no matter how much training you have dealing with weapons in reality is extremely difficult and generally if they have a weapon and you dont no matter what training you have its going to b e more difficult for you
 
Darkside said:
Is there a place in stellenbosch where i can get classes ... ? Maybe Karate ninjitsu kick boxing or something?
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You are mixing the fighting styles. Karate is a striking style. So is kick boxing. Ninjitsu is a grappling style (superior IMO). ‘Or something’ is too casual. Be sure about your selection as your style will take effort, time and pain.

Some time ago they had a program on TV (American) where people (men usually, although there were some women) battled it out to win some ‘Best of’ type award. The promotional hype stressed the ‘anything goes’ (bar gouging out eyes etc.) nature of the fights. The viewer was presented with the fighter’s stats (kick boxer, wrestler, judo etc.). Without exception, the fights always ended in grappling. The fights would normally start with a strike attempt (usually a kick – longer reach) but because balance was severely compromised, they very quickly went into grappling. I always backed the grappler. They didn’t always win because there were other variables (endurance, strength etc.) but their technique was superior. They won more than they lost (all else being equal). This does not mean that grapplers are better. It just means that you must be confident of putting your opponent down early with a strike – and this is unlikely. Defensive grapplers are at a disadvantage here. Grappling schools are usually defensive and the ethos here is offensive. Strikers have an advantage until the distance is closed. A grappler needs to find more effective ways to close the distance to limit the strikers options. Learn a few strikes and blocks and concentrate on grappling. Besides, judo, aikido or ju-jitsu (grappling styles) teach you to fall elegantly (a useful skill). The rugby players have had this fall training. Watch them if they fall forward with the ball and can get loose from a tackle. There is barely a pause in their forward momentum.
 
Darkside said:
Will do buddy i like kick boxing and also i wana get fit :P
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Kick boxing under the paul cave wannabe's is a waste of time. We had people come over from kickboxing and shootfighting classes saying it was a waste of time and they much preferred the traditional kung fu.

Kickboxers also seem to be very very aggressive wanting to constantly fight. I find that with the traditional styles you get a bit of a spirit element included and it seems certainly for me to calm me down. Now that I'm on a break from Wing Chun I am a lot more aggressive than I used to be, not a good thing.

Contact Alex Hart - www.kungfu.co.za and he will let you take part in a class. I recommend you do this with whatever you consider - don't be taken by a fraud who looks good but doesn't work. Don't fall prey to a mc dojo - thats the best advice I can give you after years at different schools.

J
 
noxibox said:
Kung Fu, like karate, is a generic term.
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Kung fu simply translated to HARD WORK.

It is a pletora of styles. Shaolin, Hung Gar, Wing Chun, Tai Chi are all examples of Kung Fu.

It is an umbrella under which most if not all of the chinese styles are placed.

J
 
GUys im realy thinking of starting Kickboxing.... But im out of shape.... Should i ??
 
Palimino said:
You are mixing the fighting styles. Karate is a striking style. So is kick boxing. Ninjitsu is a grappling style (superior IMO). ‘Or something’ is too casual. Be sure about your selection as your style will take effort, time and pain.

Some time ago they had a program on TV (American) where people (men usually, although there were some women) battled it out to win some ‘Best of’ type award. The promotional hype stressed the ‘anything goes’ (bar gouging out eyes etc.) nature of the fights. The viewer was presented with the fighter’s stats (kick boxer, wrestler, judo etc.). Without exception, the fights always ended in grappling. The fights would normally start with a strike attempt (usually a kick – longer reach) but because balance was severely compromised, they very quickly went into grappling. I always backed the grappler. They didn’t always win because there were other variables (endurance, strength etc.) but their technique was superior. They won more than they lost (all else being equal). This does not mean that grapplers are better. It just means that you must be confident of putting your opponent down early with a strike – and this is unlikely. Defensive grapplers are at a disadvantage here. Grappling schools are usually defensive and the ethos here is offensive. Strikers have an advantage until the distance is closed. A grappler needs to find more effective ways to close the distance to limit the strikers options. Learn a few strikes and blocks and concentrate on grappling. Besides, judo, aikido or ju-jitsu (grappling styles) teach you to fall elegantly (a useful skill). The rugby players have had this fall training. Watch them if they fall forward with the ball and can get loose from a tackle. There is barely a pause in their forward momentum.
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I mostly agree with this and thats also why i recommend MMA as a good source becuase you learn to strike if needed aswell as take things to the ground i can stand and bang all day but im equaly good on the ground
 
j3n0va said:
Indeed, Had a friend who was taking lessons - after 6 months still hadn't been taught to deal with opponents that had weapons :/ fail IMO
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MMA is in fact a sport. Freestyle fighting. It doesn't involve weapons, therefore it is not taught. ;)
 
Palimino said:
You are mixing the fighting styles. Karate is a striking style. So is kick boxing. Ninjitsu is a grappling style (superior IMO). ‘Or something’ is too casual. Be sure about your selection as your style will take effort, time and pain.

Some time ago they had a program on TV (American) where people (men usually, although there were some women) battled it out to win some ‘Best of’ type award. The promotional hype stressed the ‘anything goes’ (bar gouging out eyes etc.) nature of the fights. The viewer was presented with the fighter’s stats (kick boxer, wrestler, judo etc.). Without exception, the fights always ended in grappling. The fights would normally start with a strike attempt (usually a kick – longer reach) but because balance was severely compromised, they very quickly went into grappling. I always backed the grappler. They didn’t always win because there were other variables (endurance, strength etc.) but their technique was superior. They won more than they lost (all else being equal). This does not mean that grapplers are better. It just means that you must be confident of putting your opponent down early with a strike – and this is unlikely. Defensive grapplers are at a disadvantage here. Grappling schools are usually defensive and the ethos here is offensive. Strikers have an advantage until the distance is closed. A grappler needs to find more effective ways to close the distance to limit the strikers options. Learn a few strikes and blocks and concentrate on grappling. Besides, judo, aikido or ju-jitsu (grappling styles) teach you to fall elegantly (a useful skill). The rugby players have had this fall training. Watch them if they fall forward with the ball and can get loose from a tackle. There is barely a pause in their forward momentum.
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*agreed*

My personal preference = aikido. Perfect balance of the body, using the other person's momentum against him, without the use of offensive blows.
 
Voicy said:
*agreed*

My personal preference = aikido. Perfect balance of the body, using the other person's momentum against him, without the use of offensive blows.
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Aikido is perfect, but it takes *years* to even START getting it right.
 
Voicy said:
My personal preference = aikido. Perfect balance of the body, using the other person's momentum against him, without the use of offensive blows.
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The (admittedly small) experience I have of aikido is that it seems virtually identical to judo. My mom (single parent) was a student of Professor Jack Robinson in the ‘50’s. He brought judo to South Africa. My mom was a fan. When, as an adolescent, I wanted to go to karate classes with my friend, my mom said that I would have to make all the arrangements. If I went to judo however, she would make the arrangements. I was a slack teenager so I ended-up training in judo.

**Generalising**
IMO most ‘striking’ (karate etc.) martial arts are inferior to grappling fighting. They are effective only when you can catch an opponent by surprise. The absolutely WORST thing you can do is to allow a passive martial artist to get hold of a limb – especially if they have perused an ‘acu-pressure’ book and know of pressure points not even dreamed of by regular martial artists. So if the karate exponent doesn’t put his opponent down with the first blow (extremely unlikely, if the opponent is expecting it), they’re toast.

Aside: This is why judo is so good for women (rape etc.). Generally speaking, the bigger and heavier your opponent, the better it works. It is primarily defensive (it is hard to attack in judo) and gives better control of violence to the exponent. A striking martial art (karate, etc.) gives less control – you can accidently kill with karate, you choose to kill with judo.
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Ok so last night i watched videos and i found my self liking Wing Chun a lot so now i dno its between: Wing Chun and Kickboxing!!
 
Slootvreter said:
Aikido is perfect, but it takes *years* to even START getting it right.
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Nope - just lots of practice. Most people just can't give that much time to it so that is why it takes so long. The basics though, with a little variation for street combat, are learned easily and quickly enough to get you out of a minor spill.
 
smokey said:
Nope - just lots of practice. Most people just can't give that much time to it so that is why it takes so long. The basics though, with a little variation for street combat, are learned easily and quickly enough to get you out of a minor spill.
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True. The practice is (IMO) to instil muscle memories – especially for falling. There is simply not enough time to think. Stuff must be instinctive.
 
Palimino said:
**Generalising**
IMO most ‘striking’ (karate etc.) martial arts are inferior to grappling fighting. They are effective only when you can catch an opponent by surprise. The absolutely WORST thing you can do is to allow a passive martial artist to get hold of a limb – especially if they have perused an ‘acu-pressure’ book and know of pressure points not even dreamed of by regular martial artists. So if the karate exponent doesn’t put his opponent down with the first blow (extremely unlikely, if the opponent is expecting it), they’re toast.
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did you read my last response to what you last said ? Agreed a grappling style can be deadly as the gracies demonstrated in the origins of the UFC when different styles were tested but someone with a little bit of striking training can keep a grappler at bay very easy and keep the fight to only striking thats why i say again the best option IMHO is to either do MMA or different martial arts e.g. Muay Thai and BJJ or karate and judo or kickboxing and greko wrestling or any combo really ;):cool: just never think one dimentional and only grapple or only strike the best possible defense would be to get your game good no matter where your opponent wants to take it
 
Palimino said:
The (admittedly small) experience I have of aikido is that it seems virtually identical to judo. My mom (single parent) was a student of Professor Jack Robinson in the ‘50’s. He brought judo to South Africa. My mom was a fan. When, as an adolescent, I wanted to go to karate classes with my friend, my mom said that I would have to make all the arrangements. If I went to judo however, she would make the arrangements. I was a slack teenager so I ended-up training in judo.

**Generalising**
IMO most ‘striking’ (karate etc.) martial arts are inferior to grappling fighting. They are effective only when you can catch an opponent by surprise. The absolutely WORST thing you can do is to allow a passive martial artist to get hold of a limb – especially if they have perused an ‘acu-pressure’ book and know of pressure points not even dreamed of by regular martial artists. So if the karate exponent doesn’t put his opponent down with the first blow (extremely unlikely, if the opponent is expecting it), they’re toast.
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That's pretty awesome man. I started Judo when I was 4 or 5. Aikido will take a long time, but i prefer its non-conflictive approach.
 
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