Setting up WiMAX

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Hi

This is officially my first thread on myadsl, so be gentle. Obviously, before I pose the question, I am not sure whether this is a repeat of a previous thread, so please point me in the right direction, should it be the case.

First, the question: Can anyone provide me with, or direct me to someone who could provide, VIABLE (local) information for the procedures and approximate costs for setting up WiMAX?

Now, some background info: I currently reside in a small town in the NC called Aggeneys, which would obviously lead anyone to the realization that ADSL there is NON-existent. The fastest connection we can get here is ISDN. As Aggeneys mainly belongs to the local mine (which is why the town was actually established), ideas have been flying around, and one of the most viable ideas has been to implement WiMAX for the local residents. However, initial capital costs for setting up WiMAX seems to be the big killer in the idea. Furthermore, as not everyone would be using such a service (as Aggeneys boasts about 800 permanent residents, of which not even 10% would want internet access anyway, let alone broadband (as people in these parts either prefer to enjoy the finer things in life, like red wine and starry evenings, or are not too technologically inclined), the costs per person would then obviously further degrade the viability.

Although some other options are on the discussion table at this point, I was hoping to gather as much information on this topic as possible. So if anyone has gone through the implementation phase of WiMAX, any information from you would be appreciated!
 
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This whole Wimax thing seems to be a scam. Wimax apparantly can't tolerate any
interference in the 5.8ghz band, the only band license free users will be able to use it.

5.8ghz is getting polluted already.... I don't know much else.
 
Have you considered off-the-shelf Wi-fi equipment? See the link in my sig for more details
 
Hi Guys. Thanks for the info. RSACHOC, I had a look at the link you've provided, and that certainly did clear up a lot of the issues. Thanx!

Captain wifi, I don't really understand the difference between wifi and wimax, other than the difference in scale, i.e. wifi is local (i.e. inside your house), wimax is broad (i.e. town-size support). But nonetheless, the idea is to set up a wireless network in Aggeneys that will allow everyone in the town to access the Internet. As Aggeneys is quite remote (the closest town is 60km or 100km), I don't see interference of any sort as becoming a problem, unless we are talking about high-range frequencies? What sort of interference are you referring to?

The one plus is that the company I work for has already got a dedicated 384kb/s line (which is obviously not that big) that runs to our head office in Jhb. Some negotiations will have to take place to allow non-company persons to access the bandwidth after hours (and because the people that work at the company in Aggeneys also stays in Aggeneys, it won't be that difficult to convince the main okes, as the same guy that uses internet at work will be using it at home). The down side, of course, is that the head office in Jhb acts as the main gateway. Should they experience any problems up there, than we are screwed in Aggeneys. Luckily, that doesn't happen a lot.

Please comment.:)
 
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pofadder, wi-fi can be used for longer range links (jawug has a 28km link)

Interference shouldnt be a problem, just follow some basic rules (keep power down, no omnis)

Best place to come chat is on the jawug irc server, we can probably answer a lot of questions

Hope to see you there
 
Hi

This is officially my first thread on myadsl, so be gentle. Obviously, before I pose the question, I am not sure whether this is a repeat of a previous thread, so please point me in the right direction, should it be the case.

First, the question: Can anyone provide me with, or direct me to someone who could provide, VIABLE (local) information for the procedures and approximate costs for setting up WiMAX?

Now, some background info: I currently reside in a small town in the NC called Aggeneys, which would obviously lead anyone to the realization that ADSL there is NON-existent. The fastest connection we can get here is ISDN. As Aggeneys mainly belongs to the local mine (which is why the town was actually established), ideas have been flying around, and one of the most viable ideas has been to implement WiMAX for the local residents. However, initial capital costs for setting up WiMAX seems to be the big killer in the idea. Furthermore, as not everyone would be using such a service (as Aggeneys boasts about 800 permanent residents, of which not even 10% would want internet access anyway, let alone broadband (as people in these parts either prefer to enjoy the finer things in life, like red wine and starry evenings, or are not too technologically inclined), the costs per person would then obviously further degrade the viability.

Although some other options are on the discussion table at this point, I was hoping to gather as much information on this topic as possible. So if anyone has gone through the implementation phase of WiMAX, any information from you would be appreciated!

I would tend to agree with the other posts. bar one post :rolleyes:

if you are really serious about it setup a good wireless network with good stuff and then as people continue to enjoy red wine they can also enjoy internet access and maybe even get a VoIP server going so that people can do free calls to other people on network.
 
Checkout Globalwebintact , they seem to have some
sites in the Northern Cape like Springbok & Garies of all places

http://globalwebintact.com/uploads/images/rsa.jpg
Have a look at their Google Earth placemarks listing all
their towns they are covering.
http://earth.google.com , recently Google uploaded alot
of new hires images.

http://globalwebintact.com/uploads/File/Google Earth GWI Tower waypoints 05-2006.kmz

These guys are buying up or trying to buy up the smaller
WISP in the South & Western Cape areas that I know off
 
I'm just curious, pofader, how did this turn out? We have a similar need, in that we need to provide internet access to a small town in the Freestate. Whether it's wifi or wimax doesn't matter, as long as it can be done, and it's not going to be illegal.

any suggestions?
 
WIMin

Remember - 3.5GHz won't penertate buildings - and it is LOS only... no nomadic mobility - nada... it also requires a yagi and other clever stuff to get into the building... it's immature - by 2 years - IMHO.. but hey.. yanno...

Another thing - the factories where ALL this stuff we play with is made.. don't seem to be tripping over themselves to produce TONS of WiMax stuff just yet.

There is a move in the US already to try and "convert" the thinking to WiMax-in-2.5GHz.. who knows????
 
WIFI vs WIMAX

First of all, forget about WIMAX. You need a licensed frequency to operate WIMAX, remote place or not. Its very hard to secure WIMAX equipment and the technology is still in its infant stages. WIMAX is available in 2.3, 2.4 (not a lot), 2.5 and 3.4-3.6GHz. For all of these, except 2.4 you will need
a spectrum license (impossible to get) and be prepared for a cost of at least R350 000 for a single Access point with an omni antenna. Your deployment cost will not justify it.

A much cheaper and viable for your area might be WIFI. Contact a reputable wireless provider or installer and get information from them. WIFI should be your best option.
 
Remember - 3.5GHz won't penertate buildings - and it is LOS only... no nomadic mobility - nada... it also requires a yagi and other clever stuff to get into the building... it's immature - by 2 years - IMHO.. but hey.. yanno...

Strange.. then, in theory, this little device on my desk here shouldn't be working at all.
And the PCMCIA card in my girlfriends laptop surely cant be getting signal from a pre-WiMax base station (operating in 3.5Ghz) 4km away.
Phantom 3mbit/s download then... must be..

Do some research before you go writing things off.
www.navini.com are way ahead of the pack when it comes to WiMax. Check it out.
 
Like Daffy said. I have been trialing WIMAX in and outside of SA. Good news it is fairly OK. Bad news, no spectrum.
 
Aggeneys

Hi
I would like to be keep informed to weather the internet will be upgraded in Aggeneys, as we might be moving there in the very near future!
I write poetry, and am addicted to the Net! And thought Aggeneys would be ADSL supportive, seeing that there is not much infrastructure in town, and it is so hot there, you must keep yourself busy inside, and not outside the house!

Anglo could be supportive to the families of workers at the mine. A happy family supports a happy worker 100%
 
Just a question but is there a USAL license in your area? Most of the smaller towns in South Africa are covered by USALs (Under Serviced Area Licenses) The USALs are being allocated spectrum by ICASA to operate WiMAX on the licensed 3.4-3.6GHz bands. They haven't been given much spectrum, but its enough to provide better than ADSL service. Just to clarify, WiMAX can operate in Non Line of Sight applications. First wall penetration on 3.5GHz is not bad, but most indoor CPE's are coming out with window mount kits to avoid losses. WiMAX has been deployed very successfully across Africa, and a 4 Sector Base station offering 360 degree coverage (more than enough for a small town) should not cost much more than US$ 50,000.
 
Just a question, if Navini are way ahead of the pack, then why don't they have any WiMAX Forum certification. Check www.wimaxforum.org for certified manufacturers list....
 
WiMAX Forum Certified WiMAX equipment is only available in 3.3-3.8GHz. There are future profiles for Mobile WiMAX in 2.3GHz (WiBro) and then 2.5-2.7GHz. Certification (in the Forum approved Labs) will only happen later this year. Checkout www.wimaxforum.org
 
Just a question but is there a USAL license in your area? Most of the smaller towns in South Africa are covered by USALs (Under Serviced Area Licenses) The USALs are being allocated spectrum by ICASA to operate WiMAX on the licensed 3.4-3.6GHz bands. They haven't been given much spectrum, but its enough to provide better than ADSL service. .
Hi MaxWi - do you perhaps have any documentation showing that ICASA has or is willing to allocate this spectrum to a USAL or USALs?
 
The issue of spectrum is covered off in the USAL license documentation. They don't automatically get spectrum, but have the right to apply. As the USALs are geographically apart, the same chunk of spectrum can be used by all USALs. I know of 3 USALs who have had their applications processed and spectrum granted. To the best of my knowledge its only 16MHz, which allows for 4 3.5MHz channels to be used with 1MHz on either side as Guard Channels to prevent adjacent channel interference. Not ideal when you consider other Carriers have been give as much as 56MHz, but enough to rollout a decent data and VoIP service.
 
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