setup 2nd hand blackberry - device not registered

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im on mtn. hi just bought a bb second hand. im trying to setup email but it says it cant reach the server. i need to create a blackberry account. do i need to activate bis to be able to register. i have a data bundle so was going to use the phone with that until i can upgrade. to boot its a vodacon bb
 
demmit. thought i could operate on my bundle..will go activate now...government has gracefully given approval..
 
demmit. thought i could operate on my bundle..will go activate now...government has gracefully given approval..

Not saying you wont use your bundle, just saying t he phone is 90% useless without BIS, your bundle will kick in with things like youtube.
 
must say quite impressed with the bb package. cant figure out why they so unpopular overseas..even thinking of selling my other hardware..
 
It's a big leap forward from regular phones,however that leap is similar to iPhone/Android handsets,we're just a little behind the curve due to bandwidth constraints
 
It's a big leap forward from regular phones,however that leap is similar to iPhone/Android handsets,we're just a little behind the curve due to bandwidth constraints

been with android a couple of years now. its exciting to hack the os and have lots of control but geez its data hungry. nice not to obsess about turning my internet off and on all the time...:)
 
must say quite impressed with the bb package. cant figure out why they so unpopular overseas..even thinking of selling my other hardware..

Its less to do with lack of popularity and more to do with uselessness. In most countries wifi is easily and readily accessible for hundreds of locations, the use of 3G is for emergencies more than anything else. People have no need for unlimited bis packages, the most common bis packages are between 100mb and 500mb as with wifi all over the place its not needed, not to mention the 70% longer lasting battery caused by not using BIS.

BIS lost popularity in most first world countries as it became nothing more than a forced package, people don't want to have to pay for a service to use their phones when they have far better options that don't require a paid service just to make use of your handset. Why pay for BIS when wifi is free and anything from 10x - 100x faster plus you can use a better quality, far more powerful, customizable and more attractive phone.

RIM used to be an almost exclusive corporate and government phone owing to its security, it was posted i think Saturday that US government agencies are starting to replace Blackberries with iphones and android,t he primary reason being its actually cheaper and affords them more control over the security without high licensing fees.
RIM no longer has the boast that they have the most secure devices, if you consider that when iphones first came out they were the least secure handsets on the planet, banking institutions actually forbid their staff from owning them as they posed a security risk to the bank and its clients, now thanks to updates and security improvements, they are actually suitable for government use and declared safe for transferring sensitive and top secret information.

Was a few weeks ago also on MyBB that it was confirmed that the CIA was allowing staff to use Android devices so RIM is feeling the hurt.
 
Its less to do with lack of popularity and more to do with uselessness. In most countries wifi is easily and readily accessible for hundreds of locations, the use of 3G is for emergencies more than anything else. People have no need for unlimited bis packages, the most common bis packages are between 100mb and 500mb as with wifi all over the place its not needed, not to mention the 70% longer lasting battery caused by not using BIS.

BIS lost popularity in most first world countries as it became nothing more than a forced package, people don't want to have to pay for a service to use their phones when they have far better options that don't require a paid service just to make use of your handset. Why pay for BIS when wifi is free and anything from 10x - 100x faster plus you can use a better quality, far more powerful, customizable and more attractive phone.

RIM used to be an almost exclusive corporate and government phone owing to its security, it was posted i think Saturday that US government agencies are starting to replace Blackberries with iphones and android,t he primary reason being its actually cheaper and affords them more control over the security without high licensing fees.
RIM no longer has the boast that they have the most secure devices, if you consider that when iphones first came out they were the least secure handsets on the planet, banking institutions actually forbid their staff from owning them as they posed a security risk to the bank and its clients, now thanks to updates and security improvements, they are actually suitable for government use and declared safe for transferring sensitive and top secret information.

Was a few weeks ago also on MyBB that it was confirmed that the CIA was allowing staff to use Android devices so RIM is feeling the hurt.

Yep rim has lost its edge in the corporate world. I think it revelled in its popularity to much and forgot to do things to keep them at the top. Free wifi, what a dream hey. That's why its so popular here. Data is still expensive! And wifi is at home only.
 
Yep rim has lost its edge in the corporate world. I think it revelled in its popularity to much and forgot to do things to keep them at the top. Free wifi, what a dream hey. That's why its so popular here. Data is still expensive! And wifi is at home only.

It will loose popularity here too, low prices will not keep it going for long with hundreds of thousands of people getting frustrated with the poor quality of the service. It was bad when i left, but not half as bad as what i am hearing now.

I liked the phones, they solid, good quality, yet lack flexibility and propper applications and it was extremely useful when i was running my own business, but rite now they have a less than 0 chance of getting me to take one, androids, iphones and windows mobile devicea can all do what berry can, maybe with a lil less security, but a lot less frustration. I rather pay the lil extra to get a top quality service than deal with the frustration of waiting minutes, if not days for bbm messages to arrive.

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It will loose popularity here too, low prices will not keep it going for long with hundreds of thousands of people getting frustrated with the poor quality of the service. It was bad when i left, but not half as bad as what i am hearing now.

I liked the phones, they solid, good quality, yet lack flexibility and propper applications and it was extremely useful when i was running my own business, but rite now they have a less than 0 chance of getting me to take one, androids, iphones and windows mobile devicea can all do what berry can, maybe with a lil less security, but a lot less frustration. I rather pay the lil extra to get a top quality service than deal with the frustration of waiting minutes, if not days for bbm messages to arrive.

Sent from my Nexus S using Tapatalk

it will be a while before we reach the level of connectivity of overseas countries. wifi is a foreign concept. bb will be popular for the immediate future. next on the list for me is the iphone. hopefully we have some decent pricing before then..
 
it will be a while before we reach the level of connectivity of overseas countries. wifi is a foreign concept. bb will be popular for the immediate future. next on the list for me is the iphone. hopefully we have some decent pricing before then..

Unfortunately that i true, people have no choice but to suffer with an inferior product because of the pricing, if vodacom however comes out with a proper version of MTN's smartphone packages we may see a shift, but 75mb of data for R49 with the boast that With opera mini's compression that can amount to 500mb is retarded when less than 10% of a users time is spent in a web browser.

For me i actually spend less money on data with my android than i did on BIS because i have wifi at home and work so 100mb has lasted me 2 months already
 
Unfortunately that i true, people have no choice but to suffer with an inferior product because of the pricing, if vodacom however comes out with a proper version of MTN's smartphone packages we may see a shift, but 75mb of data for R49 with the boast that With opera mini's compression that can amount to 500mb is retarded when less than 10% of a users time is spent in a web browser.

For me i actually spend less money on data with my android than i did on BIS because i have wifi at home and work so 100mb has lasted me 2 months already

The situation you find yourself can be used to describe a small percentage of the population. Androids blaze through data. Wifi usage is not even tracked but its a lot. Millions of people are reliant on the operators unfortunately. So while this situation persists, bis is a viable option.
 
BIS lost popularity in most first world countries as it became nothing more than a forced package, people don't want to have to pay for a service to use their phones when they have far better options that don't require a paid service just to make use of your handset. Why pay for BIS when wifi is free and anything from 10x - 100x faster plus you can use a better quality, far more powerful, customizable and more attractive phone.

RIM used to be an almost exclusive corporate and government phone owing to its security, it was posted i think Saturday that US government agencies are starting to replace Blackberries with iphones and android,t he primary reason being its actually cheaper and affords them more control over the security without high licensing fees.
RIM no longer has the boast that they have the most secure devices, if you consider that when iphones first came out they were the least secure handsets on the planet, banking institutions actually forbid their staff from owning them as they posed a security risk to the bank and its clients, now thanks to updates and security improvements, they are actually suitable for government use and declared safe for transferring sensitive and top secret information.

Was a few weeks ago also on MyBB that it was confirmed that the CIA was allowing staff to use Android devices so RIM is feeling the hurt.

BlackBerrys were the best-selling phones in the UK over the last two years. Is the UK first world?

As for security - you are mistaken about the iPhone; it has no security certification for US government use. The only mobile devices that are FIPS certified for US government confidential use are BlackBerrys (phones and Playbook) and a particular couple of Android devices with customised versions of Android.
 
BlackBerrys were the best-selling phones in the UK over the last two years. Is the UK first world?

As for security - you are mistaken about the iPhone; it has no security certification for US government use. The only mobile devices that are FIPS certified for US government confidential use are BlackBerrys (phones and Playbook) and a particular couple of Android devices with customised versions of Android.

Guess you missed the article http://mybroadband.co.za/news/cellular/43211-iphone-in-blackberry-out-in-the-us.html

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, a U.S. federal agency - they are busy switching to iphone from blackberry
 
*gasp* Still, no confidential info will be allowed on them.

Erm hello, the only security blackberry offers is on its network, the device is just as insecure as any others if lost or stolen, actually its even less secure, tracking and data apps for other devices do not require bis unlike RIM's own software which even notifies you of a sim change and informs you that you need to re-register to re-enable the tracking software which is the same software that will allow you to remote wipe the handset. So unless the guy who steels your phone with all your sensitive data is stupid enough to leave your sim card in your pretty screwed.

At least with android and iphone the number is irrelevant, all that is needed is an active internet connection which yes is not fool proof but far more reliable than being disabled completely when a sim is swapped or becoming useless when bis is unavailable.

Sufficient network security as offered by RIM has been replicated with the use of Google’s mobile management. On device its not much more or less secure than a Blackberry, but the network is sufficiently secure for the transfer of the sensitive data.
 
Erm hello, the only security blackberry offers is on its network, the device is just as insecure as any others if lost or stolen, actually its even less secure, tracking and data apps for other devices do not require bis unlike RIM's own software which even notifies you of a sim change and informs you that you need to re-register to re-enable the tracking software which is the same software that will allow you to remote wipe the handset. So unless the guy who steels your phone with all your sensitive data is stupid enough to leave your sim card in your pretty screwed.

At least with android and iphone the number is irrelevant, all that is needed is an active internet connection which yes is not fool proof but far more reliable than being disabled completely when a sim is swapped or becoming useless when bis is unavailable.

Sufficient network security as offered by RIM has been replicated with the use of Google’s mobile management. On device its not much more or less secure than a Blackberry, but the network is sufficiently secure for the transfer of the sensitive data.

Less secure because BlackBerrys need BIS? It doesn't follow.

Anyway...my Blackberry is pretty secure. No password, no access. The filesystem and SD card are encrypted. Incorrect password a few times, and the phone is wiped.

(And, if you're on BES, there are so many security options, it pretty much makes other devices look wide open).
 
Less secure because BlackBerrys need BIS? It doesn't follow.

Anyway...my Blackberry is pretty secure. No password, no access. The filesystem and SD card are encrypted. Incorrect password a few times, and the phone is wiped.

(And, if you're on BES, there are so many security options, it pretty much makes other devices look wide open).

Then i assume you have not tried blackberry protect as it does not work without BIS, its purpose is to allow you to track lost/stolen phones or remotely wipe them. However if you swap the sim it actually posts an on screen notification that it needs to be re-registered because of the sim change.

As for security and encryption, android and iphones offer the exact same level of security, as of 4.0 android natively supports full device and memory card encryption, a number of free or paid apps allow you to remotely track lost/stolen phones, remote wipe them, set off siren alarms and even get an sms when the sim is changed so that you have the phone number as well as gps co-ordinates and a link to a map to see them if the sim is swapped. Something not possible with BB Protect.

BES, well must be all that control that has convinced 73% of European companies to abandon BES and opt for androids and iphones as alternatives. Even old mutual South Africa who has been using blackberry for 12 years have told all there staff they are no longer allowed to get a blackberry and that they will be removing the BES server and replacing it with an MS Exchange server, my cousin husband was due for he's corporate upgrade and had planned on getting the 9800, he is now getting an iPhone 4S as he is not allowed to get any blackberry. I am sure they are moving away from blackberry because they prefer a device that's less secure and more expensive, that to me makes perfect sense.

I have worked with a BES server, i have seen all the options, yes you have a lot of control, but most of it pretty useless, from a security stand point you can everything that BES offers on any android or iphone, the major difference is that you have some control of GSM based activities, you can disable MMS or SMS on the device or restrict calls to certain numbers. Not very useful options unless you actualyl give your staff an unlimited call budget which no company is stupid enough to do. Setup a secure vpn tunnel, go to your androids setting, that come with any stock android and configure the device to use the secure vpn, then enable encryption and you have just matched all of the security that BES offers for a fraction of the cost.
 
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