Shamans

[freeek]

so like all these ppl got carried away, you still a lowbie leveling up. Elemental is kinda boring to level up, rather level up with enhancement.

Dual spec as resto, every group needs a healer

 

[Skurm]

I dont know, I never thought of that as an option, why would I do that rather?

Because old world, pre-BC Azeroth doesnt drop any spelldamage mail. Lots of mail with agi stats etc though. And Windfury is flat out imba once you get it. I'd go Enhance till 58, then after picking up some of the early quest gear in BC, switch over to Ele if you still want to. Odds are you won't, though. Enhance is ossim fun.

 

[hoodlum]

Can definitely recommend this a watch :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxrUVGpaZ18

Obviously those occasions where all the stars align but if rets can make em with wings , this is quite enjoyable

Warning : probably 0 res targets shown

Ive seen many PVP vids on how uber a shaman can be I think alot of people have.. but .. these vids are showing how the shaman can take on 1 or 2 players.

just out of the blue , can you find me a vid of shaman tak'ing on 4 - 5 other players at the same time like I can do with my exremleee over power'd pvp palla ?

 

[aquadog]

Let it go man. You can't compare a plate wearing crit ****house with a bubble to a mail wearing support class.

 

[Murmaider]

just out of the blue , can you find me a vid of shaman tak'ing on 4 - 5 other players at the same time like I can do with my exremleee over power'd pvp palla ?

show us a vid of you taking on 4-5 players at once?
I don't have a problem with Paladins, Purge the buffs, unleash the wolves and /dance.

But seriously, you can't compare a tanking class wearing plate to other classes in the game. Also I doubt you will find a vid of any class taking on 4-5 people at a time without a pocket healer.

 

[Murmaider]

One of the most entertaining Enhancement shaman's around.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd08-n2JIDs"]Beavis[/ame]

This guy is the reason i leveled a shaman in the first place.

 

[Volt4ge]

lol
no joke.. but shamans can be seriously lethal ... doesnt matter spec if u get a good totem roller and the good crits ... u rock.. bottom line

 

[hoodlum]

show us a vid of you taking on 4-5 players at once?
I don't have a problem with Paladins, Purge the buffs, unleash the wolves and /dance.

But seriously, you can't compare a tanking class wearing plate to other classes in the game. Also I doubt you will find a vid of any class taking on 4-5 people at a time without a pocket healer.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExQuNUG56Bs"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExQuNUG56Bs[/ame]

I see alot of dead people .. watch and learn .. watch and learn!

please see 2:24 of these video and then come back to me mmmkay ?

why not compare the classes ? I though eveything was meant to be balanced ?

 

[aquadog]

Where did you get the idea that everything in world of warcraft is balanced? lmao

 

[Pitbull]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExQuNUG56Bs

I see alot of dead people .. watch and learn .. watch and learn!

please see 2:24 of these video and then come back to me mmmkay ?

why not compare the classes ? I though eveything was meant to be balanced ?

Sorry what?

That is the reason there is so much QQ online about PvP. If every calss was balanced it would be pretty stupid and WoW would die.

Each and every class has 3 types of opponents

1. He rapes you without you even standing a chance
2. A nice one on one battle of epic preportions (Same class as you)
3. He gets raped by you so hard he never stood a chance.

Some classes are made to counter other classes that is how it works.

Rogues for Warlocks
Shamans for Paladins

and and and...

WoW is a team game and if you want to be able to take appart the other faction you need to do it as a team. It was never a 1 player game.

 

[davemc]

*applause* for the Pitbull

 

[w1z4rd]

Pitbull is right, toons are not balanced.

As a frost mage I know I can beat a rogue,a dk, a warrior and a hunter.. pretty easily. I struggle against Paladins and priests and I run away from warlocks. I have not come up against a decent shaman yet, but I am pretty sure I could eat a shaman by keeping out of range of his totems.

 

[Murmaider]

I see alot of dead people .. watch and learn .. watch and learn!

please see 2:24 of these video and then come back to me mmmkay ?

why not compare the classes ? I though eveything was meant to be balanced ?

Haha, ok so let me understand this, you are comparing a pve geared Paladin, taking on other pve geared people just after paladins got completely overhauled and buffed in the 3.0 Patch To what classes are currently sitting at in the 3.2 patch? In Addition, in 90% of those fights, he is killing people with more than one person hitting the target (3 v 1 does not show skill or awesomeness).

You will not find a ret paladin after the 3.2 patch getting crits anywhere near that against a pvp geared opponent.

You are also only speaking about classes in the pvp sense. In PVE shaman dps compares nicely with paladin dps.
Based on the current simcraft stats for T8, shaman's are doing to bad on the DPS : http://code.google.com/p/simulationcraft/wiki/SampleOutputT8

 

[Murmaider]

Pitbull is right, toons are not balanced.

As a frost mage I know I can beat a rogue,a dk, a warrior and a hunter.. pretty easily. I struggle against Paladins and priests and I run away from warlocks. I have not come up against a decent shaman yet, but I am pretty sure I could eat a shaman by keeping out of range of his totems.

Against elemental its easy because you can spell lock him and burst him down.

Against enhancement... I usually frost shock to freeze you in place. At this point you either going to nova and blink or just blink. The moment you have used blink, I pop my wolves which remove any snare/freeze from me and they jump to your location and stun you for 2 seconds. By this time my frost shock is off CD so I use it again and i can usually catch up to you because of the wolves speed buff. From here I just burst you down, purge any buffs / bubbles you have and interrupt your casts with wind sear or use grounding totem. If for some reason the mage does get enough distance to start bursting me down, i drop stoneclaw for the bubble and shamatic rage for the 30% reduced dmg.

granted this is all based on expected play, but you get the idea.

 

[hoodlum]

Haha, ok so let me understand this, you are comparing a pve geared Paladin, taking on other pve geared people just after paladins got completely overhauled and buffed in the 3.0 Patch To what classes are currently sitting at in the 3.2 patch? In Addition, in 90% of those fights, he is killing people with more than one person hitting the target (3 v 1 does not show skill or awesomeness).

You will not find a ret paladin after the 3.2 patch getting crits anywhere near that against a pvp geared opponent.

You are also only speaking about classes in the pvp sense. In PVE shaman dps compares nicely with paladin dps.
Based on the current simcraft stats for T8, shaman's are doing to bad on the DPS : http://code.google.com/p/simulationcraft/wiki/SampleOutputT8

Yes I am comparing my pala to all classes, You can so why cant I ? Or did you forget about your opening statements in your massive wall of text in this thread ? Go back and read it ... read mine as well

You accuse me a Fail when it comes Shamans , then you tell me not to compare other classes ? the WTF is this thread for ? I was giving my advice and " My views " and not that of the general wow community.

I know very well what a shaman is capable of or did I roll 2 shamans for the fun of it ?

You and all the shazsman fanboi's need to go back and read my first response

Dont get me wrong , shamans have alot of buffs , alot of chaotic buffs with windfurry and some descent totems for any type class , But that my friend is where it ends and has ended for me.

shamans are the long and forgotten uber class

Never said I hated my shaman did I ... how does one say " prefer " another class ?


And as for the pvp vid with the pvp paladin

he is killing people with more than one person hitting the target (3 v 1 does not show skill or awesomeness).

Im very mistaken by this comment ... no really I am ... Do you need some glasses or maybe I must get a more clearer ( HD ) clip for you ?

Ohhh and FYI ... my pala still pwns in BG's even after your so called fix

 

[Murmaider]

Yes I am comparing my pala to all classes, You can so why cant I ? Or did you forget about your opening statements in your massive wall of text in this thread ? Go back and read it ... read mine as well

You accuse me a Fail when it comes Shamans , then you tell me not to compare other classes ? the WTF is this thread for ? I was giving my advice and " My views " and not that of the general wow community.

I know very well what a shaman is capable of or did I roll 2 shamans for the fun of it ?

You and all the shazsman fanboi's need to go back and read my first response





Never said I hated my shaman did I ... how does one say " prefer " another class ?


And as for the pvp vid with the pvp paladin



Im very mistaken by this comment ... no really I am ... Do you need some glasses or maybe I must get a more clearer ( HD ) clip for you ?

Ohhh and FYI ... my pala still pwns in BG's even after your so called fix

Dude, your "comparing" logic is seriously flawed for a number of reasons:
1) you can't compare a paladin right after they got overhauled to what paladins are today. Thats like me posting a youtube link of a shaman in wow vanilla and saying "shaman's rule, look how they have killed everyone". It is not a true comparison. If you want to make a point of showing the awesomeness of a paladin with all of his cooldowns and well selected scenes of when a person has crit'd, post a video from youtube of a paladin in the 3.2 patch doing the same thing in battlegrounds?

2) You are comparing a plate wearing class to a mail class. Thats like someone saying "warriors > priests because you don't see a priest in battlegrounds taking on 4-5 people at once" Priests are not designed to mitigate 40%+ physical dmg by just existing and they are not designed to have 30k+ health. It doesn't mean they are a **** class which needs to be completely avoided. This seems to be your only comparing tool? how many people you can take on at once in a battleground? That seems like a rather narrow one sided comparision.

If you want to do a true comparision, do it properly.
Paladin dps vs shaman dps in both pve and pvp.
Paladin healing vs shaman healing in both pve and pvp.
buffs vs totems.
survivability vs utility.

not a "I hit 5 people, yay I win" because then I can show you tons of shaman videos of people doing the exact same thing.

 

[Spawn-X]

Wish PvE Geared resto shamans would stay outa arena's
It's impossible to kill them even with their low resilience

 

[f0xZA]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOeNP7-a0Hw[/ame]

old but still funny as hell