Shooting in Bothasig

[Sparhawk]

http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=925278

This happened in my neighbourhood ... I am so infuriated with this at the moment. This happened around the corner were I live, where my wife and I live. The implications that while I am sleeping peacefully in my bed with my wife these ****ers are on the street with guns. And if this is what they can do to cops imagine what they will do to civilians. I am sorry to say this next part but I miss the apartheid years when your nieghbourhood was patrolled with enough police and these people were not allowed in your nieghbourhood after a certain time, where the police instilled fear into the criminal heart and they where respected by all. I am so tired of seeing this **** on a daily basis in every newspaper we read. It is no wonder that so many people leave South Africa every year.

 

[mercurial]

Yeah. I wanna leave too, unless of course we can get rid of the monkeys running the show.

 

[Slaine73]

Yeah. I wanna leave too, unless of course we can get rid of the monkeys running the show.

Join the club. There are just a few things why I want to leave, crime, the government and racism(now reversed)

 

[Slaine73]

In the end it all comes down to the government doesn't it?

 

[Slootvreter]

This is what squatter camps like Du Noon does to a place.

 

[Sneeky]

Robbers shot dead a colleagues brother a few weekends ago, elderly gent sleeping in his home. They broke in, stole wallet and cell phone and shot him dead while he was sleeping. On the bluff.

 

[Sparhawk]

Robbers shot dead a colleagues brother a few weekends ago, elderly gent sleeping in his home. They broke in, stole wallet and cell phone and shot him dead while he was sleeping. On the bluff.

Now the question you got to ask yourself is why? If they broke in and got what they wanted and he was still sleeping why put a bullet in him, that is just plain vindictive. I don't care if they claim to be victims of this that or the other injustice. It is not socialy responsible and as far as I am concerned they have stopped being human beings and as such should be put down hard as one would a rabid animal.

 

[Slaine73]

Agree....rabid though

They have given their right to be seen as human beings up and should not betreated as such. Death Penalty.

 

[noxibox]

Death Penalty.

Won't make any difference.

I am sorry to say this next part but I miss the apartheid years when your nieghbourhood was patrolled with enough police and these people were not allowed in your nieghbourhood after a certain time, where the police instilled fear into the criminal heart and they where respected by all.

The good old days when white people had protection. That is the problem the police were not really protecting everyone. Back then a non-white person in a white area after a certain time meant criminal, and the police could just shoot them. The police were not respected though. Feared yes, with good reason - they were dangerous thugs from whom no-one was safe.

The current failure is your local police station. Where I live I see the police patrolling and they come when I phone them, even if it is just a disturbance.

 

[Sparhawk]

The current failure is your local police station. Where I live I see the police patrolling and they come when I phone them, even if it is just a disturbance.

I disagree there, the police patrol here all the time and respond timely to every phone call I have ever made. The issue is not whether they patrol and are visible it is that the criminals are brazen and appear to think they can get away with anything including shooting two police officers who where doing their job. I agree with your point that the death penalty is not the be all and end all, the answer however is that the punishment should fit the crime. The justice system is a joke in this country and probably half the police force is corrupt in some way. We voted and put these people into power therefore we should be able to take them out. They are public servants all the way up to the president. However how many times have you seen them serve the public's interest.

 

[shadowfox]

I agree with Sparhawk noxibox ... your comment was out of line. I happen to stay in Bothasig as well - and I see police cars patrolling the area quite regularly. If you read the article you would see the cops got shot when they stopped to question someone who looked suspicious.

Sorry, but to me it looks like they were doing their job. Bothasig is one of the safer areas in Cape Town for good reason.

 

[Bravestar]

One word.... Death penalty...

I you think you have the right to take another persons life somebody else should be able to take yours, like the family and friends of the person you killed.

Why do we have laws PROTECTING criminals??? Why do they deserve to have human rights when they don't actually care about other people's human rights?

Only reason they kill for a coke and a bun is because they are not scared of being put in a gas chamber and choking on something...

/rant off

sorry

 

[Shake&Bake]

Join the club. There are just a few things why I want to leave, crime, the government and racism(now reversed)

Were you enjoying the original homemade brew of racism a few years back that much more?
Sorry to hear that

In the end it all comes down to the government doesn't it?

Yep, pre '94 was a fsckup, post '94 has been a fsckup.
Solutions - make do with what we can and move along.
Crime has been prevelant all along, all we can do is secure ourselves and be vigilant.
How to make the goverment responsible? I'd like to see that.
Too many corrupt officials that line their pockets and are involved in crime anyway.

Corruption within goverment instituitions has been around for so long - for them to weed it out, is going to take something of Hollywood script proportions...

I agree with Sparhawk noxibox ... your comment was out of line. I happen to stay in Bothasig as well - and I see police cars patrolling the area quite regularly. If you read the article you would see the cops got shot when they stopped to question someone who looked suspicious.

Sorry, but to me it looks like they were doing their job. Bothasig is one of the safer areas in Cape Town for good reason.

The only point I don't really agree with from noxibox is the comment on the "failure of the police station" otherwise I'm inclined to agree with the rest of it.

Won't make any difference.


The good old days when white people had protection. That is the problem the police were not really protecting everyone. Back then a non-white person in a white area after a certain time meant criminal, and the police could just shoot them. The police were not respected though. Feared yes, with good reason - they were dangerous thugs from whom no-one was safe.

The current failure is your local police station. Where I live I see the police patrolling and they come when I phone them, even if it is just a disturbance.

 

[Necuno]

One word.... Death penalty...

I you think you have the right to take another persons life somebody else should be able to take yours, like the family and friends of the person you killed.

Why do we have laws PROTECTING criminals??? Why do they deserve to have human rights when they don't actually care about other people's human rights?

Only reason they kill for a coke and a bun is because they are not scared of being put in a gas chamber and choking on something...

/rant off

sorry

one word; prosecution.

the death penalty is useless if it would be implemented right now and our courts, cops and the whole processing is not sorted out first.

 

[shadowfox]

I just disagreed with him pointing to the police station as the failure. They were obviously not failing - since Bothasig is very well patrolled.

I'm fairly sure he doesn't stay in the area, so he has no basis on which to make that claim.

 

[Sparhawk]

Yes I grew up in a white neighbourhood and as such it was a lot safer than perhaps what you grew up in. However I have seen what a safe neighbourhood can be how can we not apply it to all neighbourhoods black, white or colored. The issue I have is that two thugs were walking around in my neighbourhood at 2:45AM with firearms looking for a fight. The police spotted them pulled over to ask a few questions and promptly got taken out. Both have been shot in the head one of them a reservist not even a full time police officer. This is the issue, the criminals should FEAR the police and in turn we should RESPECT what they do on a daily basis.

 

[Shake&Bake]

I just disagreed with him pointing to the police station as the failure. They were obviously not failing - since Bothasig is very well patrolled.

I'm fairly sure he doesn't stay in the area, so he has no basis on which to make that claim.

Agreed on that - that's why I said I don't really agree with that claim either.
Bothasig I know at face value - drove through there a couple of times and it seems a rather safe, rustig place.
I think this incident is likely the 1st (that I can recall anyway) of such hectic violence in the area.

 

[Guest 20221009]

http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=925278

This happened in my neighbourhood ... I am so infuriated with this at the moment. This happened around the corner were I live, where my wife and I live. The implications that while I am sleeping peacefully in my bed with my wife these ****ers are on the street with guns. And if this is what they can do to cops imagine what they will do to civilians. I am sorry to say this next part but I miss the apartheid years when your nieghbourhood was patrolled with enough police and these people were not allowed in your nieghbourhood after a certain time, where the police instilled fear into the criminal heart and they where respected by all. I am so tired of seeing this **** on a daily basis in every newspaper we read. It is no wonder that so many people leave South Africa every year.

by "these people" you referring to the criminals, right ?

 

[shadowfox]

Agreed on that - that's why I said I don't really agree with that claim either.
Bothasig I know at face value - drove through there a couple of times and it seems a rather safe, rustig place.
I think this incident is likely the 1st (that I can recall anyway) of such hectic violence in the area.

It is ... I've been living there for 12 years now ... and its the first such incident I've heard of.

 

[Slootvreter]

by "these people" you referring to the criminals, right ?

Who else?