Shooting in Paris

DisasterRelief said:
Most European countries does not have sufficient security resources, police and intelligence, to deal with the volume of known suspects and potential threats. France falls into this group. This was admitted to by a member of the French intelligence services to one of my colleagues. They are screwed and they know it.
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Fair enough and that may be the valid reason, but is there a chance that ''cultural sensitivity'' plays a part here? Europe, for a while now, has done its best to not come across as intolerant. Is this perhaps contributing to gaps opening up in their security?

Also, in this case, the guy had already tried to kill 3 cops. If he had tried this in the States he'd have been taken out after trying to kill the first two. Yes, the US way isn't always the best way and you don't want cops going Rambo, but in this case it is inexcusable that he was still walking freely. Same goes for anyone in Europe that is known to have made contact with ISIS/terror cells in the Middle East. You shouldn't be on the streets.
 
thestaggy said:
Fair enough and that may be the valid reason, but is there a chance that ''cultural sensitivity'' plays a part here? Europe, for a while now, has done its best to not come across as intolerant. Is this perhaps contributing to gaps opening up in their security?

Also, in this case, the guy had already tried to kill 3 cops. If he had tried this in the States he'd have been taken out after trying to kill the first two. Yes, the US way isn't always the best way and you don't want cops going Rambo, but in this case it is inexcusable that he was still walking freely. Same goes for anyone in Europe that is known to have made contact with ISIS/terror cells in the Middle East. You shouldn't be on the streets.
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The three cops were shot at the same time so it would be one strike in the US. It wasn't three different attempts.
 
f2wohf said:
People from the area (so including my mother) are asked to remain home while the police establishes formally if there was an accomplice.
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Is your mom French or did she relocate there?

Nicodeamus said:
I just came from outside, the metros are shut down around the area, the police asked people to stay in doors, tommorow it is going to be a mission again with all the checks in the trains.
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Interesting. What work do you do in Paris? Amazing place to live.
 
My stepdaughter is on a school trip to paris at the moment.

They were just trying to make her feel at home.
 
thestaggy said:
Fair enough and that may be the valid reason, but is there a chance that ''cultural sensitivity'' plays a part here? Europe, for a while now, has done its best to not come across as intolerant. Is this perhaps contributing to gaps opening up in their security?
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In terms of letting cop killers or attempted killers walking free? I would say no based on the fact that there are a number of them from all walks of life. The whole cultural sensitivity thing may came into play with racial profiling though.
 
f2wohf said:
The three cops were shot at the same time so it would be one strike in the US. It wasn't three different attempts.
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I know it wasn't, I'm stating that the punishment for that would likely have seen him behind bars for a loooooong time, if he even survived the shooting.
 
Unhappy438 said:
In terms of letting cop killers or attempted killers walking free? I would say no based on the fact that there are a number of them from all walks of life. The whole cultural sensitivity thing may came into play with racial profiling though.
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In this case though there is an element of radicalisation, which the authorities were aware of. Not clear though if this was present during his first shooting expedition or if it manifested later.

Still think he shouldn't have even been on the street, regardless of motivation. Attempting to kill 3 officers? That should be quite a lengthily sentence.
 
thestaggy said:
Still think he shouldn't have even been on the street, regardless of motivation. Attempting to kill 3 officers? That should be quite a lengthily sentence.
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Oh i completely agree, i just don't necessarily think he was free because of cultural sensitivity. I think its more a product of a poor judicial system.
 
The_Assimilator said:
By choice?

Why?
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My job is rather sought for here so pays better than in Europe and the cost of life is half of Paris' one.

Add the girlfriend who's South African, that gives me no incentive to move back home.
 
Unhappy438 said:
Oh i completely agree, i just don't necessarily think he was free because of cultural sensitivity. I think its more a product of a poor judicial system.
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He got 15 years of jail, probably reduced for good conduct and electronic bracelet for a while.
 
amazing how the traction in this thread slowed to a screeching halt when it was not 100% religiously motivated...
 
f2wohf said:
He got 15 years of jail, probably reduced for good conduct and electronic bracelet for a while.
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Not good enough.

Baxteen said:
amazing how the traction in this thread slowed to a screeching halt when it was not 100% religiously motivated...
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All reports at this stage suggest its a radical Islamist so not sure what youre talking about.
 
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Baxteen said:
amazing how the traction in this thread slowed to a screeching halt when it was not 100% religiously motivated...
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You do know that the shooter was a follower of the religion of responsible gun ownership...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/20/paris-police-close-part-city-centre-amid-reports-officers-shot/

From the article:
It is believed he parked his Audi and opened fire after police stopped at a red light. It is reported a pump action shotgun, knives and ID were found in the car.
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So
1) He wasn't poor or destitute.
2) He didn't care about the gun laws(fancy that , someone who want to kill people doesn't care about the law :eek:)
 
thestaggy said:
Fair enough and that may be the valid reason, but is there a chance that ''cultural sensitivity'' plays a part here? Europe, for a while now, has done its best to not come across as intolerant. Is this perhaps contributing to gaps opening up in their security?.
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Of course 'cultural sensitivity' plays a significant role. Just look at what happened in Rotherham.

Denis MacShane, the former Labour MP for Rotherham, has admitted that as a “Guardian reading liberal leftie” he shied away from the issue of the oppression of women in the Muslim community.Mr MacShane, who resigned in 2012 over an expenses fraud for which he was later jailed, insisted no-one came to him with child abuse allegations during his 18 years in Parliament, but admitted he should have “burrowed into” the issue. He told the BBC: "I think there was a culture of not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat if I may put it like that.” Admitting he had been guilty of doing too little, he said he had been aware of the problem of cousin marriage and “the oppression of women within bits of the Muslim community in Britain” but: “Perhaps yes, as a true Guardian reader, and liberal leftie, I suppose I didn’t want to raise that too hard.”
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This kind of attitude permeates throughout the E.U establishment. Along with the standard European liberal values that criminals are also victims and it's no surprise to see this kind of thing.
 
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