Should I bail?

[TheOx]

Hey guys,

This seems to be almost an annual occurrence

I'm toying with the idea of finding a new job. Not at liberty to discuss, but we didn't get our bonuses because reasons. There's another possibility of impending doom too. I also feel like I should be earning more too.

Which leads me to my question now. Should I bail? I'm a .NET Dev with ALMOST 3 years experience and I've given my CV to a recruiter and a friend that works at ABSA, but I'm speculative of the possible results.

If anyone has some advice, or knows of any opportunities, PM me or reply here please.

Not sure of what to do.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Find another job first.

When you have the offer in hand...then only do you ask yourself this question.

 

[bokdrol]

Only when you have another job in the bag.

 

[Beachless]

+1 to the others, put your CV up and look at what opportunities are around and if you get a better offer think about it.
Especially if there is talk of doom, it takes a while to find something decent so if things do go wrong you are already in the process of looking.

 

[Batista]

Slightly off topic, has anyone use another job offer as leverage for securing a raise at current employer?How did you go about this?

 

[Beachless]

Slightly off topic, has anyone use another job offer as leverage for securing a raise at current employer?How did you go about this?

I have only hinted at finding another job a few times but that was many years ago, basically said that I am not happy with my current package and increase and that I will have to start looking elsewhere to fulfill those wants. Its also important to list good reasons why you think you deserve more than your current remuneration list things like overtime, extra effort, commitment blah blah this makes it much easier for them to justify it to HR and the other bosses.

Not like I have had a few times were the employee says I need more money so that I can buy a new house, car, wife etc. that has no bearing on the business or the work you do so stay on topic with reasons that benefit the business.

 

[Batista]

I have only hinted at finding another job a few times but that was many years ago, basically said that I am not happy with my current package and increase and that I will have to start looking elsewhere to fulfill those wants. Its also important to list good reasons why you think you deserve more than your current remuneration list things like overtime, extra effort, commitment blah blah this makes it much easier for them to justify it to HR and the other bosses.

Not like I have had a few times were the employee says I need more money so that I can buy a new house, car, wife etc. that has no bearing on the business or the work you do so stay on topic with reasons that benefit the business.

Perfect thanks mate.

 

[The_Unbeliever]

Only bail when you have another job in the bag.

Not before.

Unless you have a rich daddy who will support you till you find a job.

 

[deweyzeph]

Slightly off topic, has anyone use another job offer as leverage for securing a raise at current employer?How did you go about this?

This can easily backfire. You might get a counter-offer from your current employer but you will forever be marked as disloyal or even untrustworthy.

 

[SaoirseB]

Yes twice. First time I went with a resignation letter to my manger and told him I got a better offer. I asked for his advice since the job was in another town. He pointed out all the pitfalls on moving to a place where I didn't know anyone then he asked me if I really wanted to move. I said not really, so he spoke to HR and they matched the offer.

The second time I did the same and again they matched the offer. They promised to change my job title to match what I was actually doing, but they never did, so I left almost a year later.

Slightly off topic, has anyone use another job offer as leverage for securing a raise at current employer?How did you go about this?

 

[Pavan]

Everyone has their own opinion on this, but a counter offer is something I would never take. Neither would I use a job offer as leverage for an increase/promotion/etc.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Slightly off topic, has anyone use another job offer as leverage for securing a raise at current employer?How did you go about this?

Using it to secure a raise is the wrong way to go about it.

Look for something else even if you are happy with your current job but money is the obvious problem. Then when you have that offer in hand and you are ready to resign you have the conversation about moving with your superior.

If they are keen to keep you they will make it known and want to match the offer...you tell them to better it not match it otherwise you go....this is if you are happy working there and money was the only problem in the first place.

Then you choose.

You don't bull**** another company just to get a raise.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Everyone has their own opinion on this, but a counter offer is something I would never take. Neither would I use a job offer as leverage for an increase/promotion/etc.

It's very situational.

If another company came to you and offered you a job with very little effort on your part then a counter offer is hardly a problem since you didn't exactly go looking for it and obviously you weren't unhappy where you were.

I'm changing jobs end of January and my company immediately wanted to counter offer and probably better the offer but for various logistical reasons outside of just money I didn't even let them go through the process of making a formal offer as I simply felt it's time for a change and looking five years ahead it seems like a better deal.

Many people are happy with 95% of their job and it's just the 5% that presents a problem which is normally money.

 

[Pavan]

Agree Sauron. If you're not on the market then it's a different story. But if you're actively pursuing employment somewhere else and then get an offer and use it as leverage, then you've done what you stated in your last post - bs'd another company just for a raise. Also, a counter offer comes with increased pressure, deliverables, responsibility and sometimes the not-so-good spotlight.

 

[^^vampire^^]

Find another job first.

When you have the offer in hand...then only do you ask yourself this question.

^ This. Always have an offer in hand before moving. Trying to find another job without currently being employed makes it look like you're not good enough to be employed.

Jump around yearly for the first few year of being a developer. It allows you to up your salary quickly until you are comfortable with a decent salary - then you can focus on choosing a company to create a career at. If I didn't jump around before I would be lucky if I would earn little over a third of what I earn now. Companies get complacent and especially in larger companies only offer 6-8% increase yearly which doesn't cut it when you can get 25-50% increases elsewhere.

 

[semaphore]

Hey guys,

This seems to be almost an annual occurrence

I'm toying with the idea of finding a new job. Not at liberty to discuss, but we didn't get our bonuses because reasons. There's another possibility of impending doom too. I also feel like I should be earning more too.

Which leads me to my question now. Should I bail? I'm a .NET Dev with ALMOST 3 years experience and I've given my CV to a recruiter and a friend that works at ABSA, but I'm speculative of the possible results.

If anyone has some advice, or knows of any opportunities, PM me or reply here please.

Not sure of what to do.

I just resigned yesterday

 

[SauRoNZA]

Agree Sauron. If you're not on the market then it's a different story. But if you're actively pursuing employment somewhere else and then get an offer and use it as leverage, then you've done what you stated in your last post - bs'd another company just for a raise. Also, a counter offer comes with increased pressure, deliverables, responsibility and sometimes the not-so-good spotlight.

Yeah. Even though I didn't actively go shopping for my job your reason of pressure and deliverables after a counter offer is one of the big reasons why I chose to go.

 

[TheOx]

Thanks for what's been contributed thus far. I'd never leave without accepting another post though, that'd be financial suicide.

Would you recommend me leaving though?

 

[semaphore]

Thanks for what's been contributed thus far. I'd never leave without accepting another post though, that'd be financial suicide.

Would you recommend me leaving though?

If you're unhappy and feel its a dead end, then bail. You can' ask a random person on the interwebz if you should quit.

 

[^^vampire^^]

Thanks for what's been contributed thus far. I'd never leave without accepting another post though, that'd be financial suicide.

Would you recommend me leaving though?

If you're unhappy and feel its a dead end, then bail. You can' ask a random person on the interwebz if you should quit.

This is quite an iffy question and you have to choose for yourself if you think it's a good idea or not.

A few years ago I worked in a big corporate environment which is what I thought I wanted. The team I worked with were world class from a knowledge/skill perspective as well as being genuinely awesome people. Unfortunately I found that career advancement would be too slow. Because it was a corporate environment most increases were capped at 8% max for excellent performance which just wouldn't cut it. By far the best place I've ever worked and hated to leave but opportunities are opportunities.

The job I moved to was more money but was miserable and the people I worked with were a bag of ****s (mostly the management). I hated every day I was there from 2 weeks in and it made me a miserable person and even affected my personal life. I left and started a better job beginning of last year and things have been great since.

Either way it may work out terribly or it may work out really well. However, I don't regret making the moves I have as at the end of the day I'm not afraid to say that (a) I trade my time for money so it's in my best interest to maximise the amount I get and if I can fast track myself to being financially free I will, and (b) I enjoy the type of work I do but there's no reason not to make my hobby worth my while if I can.