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Sign language and Khilovedu should be made the country’s 12th and 13th official languages, according to submissions before Parliament's Constitution review committee.

African National Congress MP Mathole Motshekga argued for the inclusion of Khilovedu in Section 6 of Chapter 1 of the Constitution, saying it was not a dialect of Sotho or Venda, but an independent language used by a tribe which settled in the country in the 1600s.

The committee met on Friday to discuss various amendment suggestions from members of the public.

The submissions for Khilovedu and South African Sign Language were made separately by the Holy Faith Mission Evangelical Church and the Deaf Federation of SA.

The submissions were part of 13 outstanding issues not addressed by the fourth Parliament, and carried over to the fifth. They were taken under review and would be discussed at length with 2015 and 2016 public submissions in September.

Anti-corruption commission

Another issue involved the establishment of an anti-corruption commission as a Chapter 9 Institution.

It was made by the Institute for Accountability in Southern Africa, which wanted it to have similar legal standing as the Public Protector. The institute also suggested a reform of the Judicial Service Commission.

MPs agreed that such a big issue warranted deeper discussions - and a decision couldn't be made in one sitting - and in isolation from consideration of the rest of the Constitution. It would be discussed with other submissions to be heard in September.

Other public submissions discussed included the rights of homeowners to kill intruders in self-defence, the transformation of the SABC into a Chapter 9 institution, and a disapproval of the rights of inmates.

The committee dismissed most submissions for either not falling under a constitutional mandate, not being specific enough, or being clearly opposed to Constitutional principles, as was the case for inmates’ rights.

Existing legislation covered other dismissed submissions, such as homeowners’ rights.

African Christian Democratic Party MP Steve Swart pleaded with the committee and the public to ensure that submissions were relevant and had genuine amendment suggestions when presented to Parliament.

“It's a waste of time and money otherwise,” he said.

The joint committee will reconvene next Friday, and again on September 9, for the final two meetings of the third term of 2016.

News24 - http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...uld-be-12th-official-language-deafsa-20160819
 
With all due respect to deaf people, the last thing we need is yet another official language.

11 is way too many, 12 would be way too many +1

cut it to the top 4 most widely spoken ones and be done with it
 
Huh? We have 11 spoken languages and 1 sign language, why include it into the spoken group? Our sign language is based on the British Sign Language (BSL). This is recognition where it already exists…
 
Fekking retarded...

11 languages is too damn many already.

Just because a language is spoken in this country does not mean it needs to be an official language ffs.
 
Other public submissions discussed included the rights of homeowners to kill intruders in self-defence, the transformation of the SABC into a Chapter 9 institution, and a disapproval of the rights of inmates.

Castle doctrine would do a lot to help with armed robberies.
 
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Zulu, Xhosa, Afrikaans and English. They're the most widely spoken languages (1st language) by quite a large margin. English is lower than the others (still 4th, but not much more than Northern Sotho) in terms of being a 1st language, but is probably the most widely spoken 2nd language, making it the unifier. English is also the fastest growing language in the country at the same time, while the other major languages are shrinking or idle.

Give honorable mentions for the other languages, but in terms of "national language" even 4 is a lot, but a case can be made for them as those 4 are representative of the vast majority of the population.
 
Zulu, Xhosa, Afrikaans and English. They're the most widely spoken languages (1st language) by quite a large margin. English is lower than the others (still 4th, but not much more than Northern Sotho) in terms of being a 1st language, but is probably the most widely spoken 2nd language, making it the unifier. English is also the fastest growing language in the country at the same time, while the other major languages are shrinking or idle.

Give honorable mentions for the other languages, but in terms of "national language" even 4 is a lot, but a case can be made for them as those 4 are representative of the vast majority of the population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_National_Census_of_2011

Change between 2001 and 2011,

1. English +28.47% (1,219,420)
2. Afrikaans +13.58% (871,656)
3. Tshivenda +16.82% (187,631)

All the languages have shown positive growth. By the next consensus things may change, also with the youth movements against Afrikaans, many of those which speaks Afrikaans as their mother tongue will list English as their mother tongue. In fact, I know many Afrikaners which lists their mother tongue as English. There is a good chance that the English language may surpass the Afrikaans language, on paper.

At the end though, we will most likely head into a direction where we will recognise 3 official languages, English, IsiZulu and IsiXhosa. Afrikaans at this moment is a boiling pot about to boil over... national consensus on the language is inevitable and it will also cause division for some time. The other 'native' languages will be considered territorial.

To get back to sign language, why is there not a clear definition between a sign or spoken language. From my perspective sign language, the British version, is already an ‘official’ South African language, but it is not a spoken language and cater to those with special needs. I do not see the need to include it alongside our spoken languages, as it is categorically unique. The only country that I know which has officially recognised the language alongside their native spoken languages is New Zealand.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_National_Census_of_2011

Change between 2001 and 2011,

1. English +28.47% (1,219,420)
2. Afrikaans +13.58% (871,656)
3. Tshivenda +16.82% (187,631)


All the languages have shown positive growth. By the next consensus things may change, also with the youth movements against Afrikaans, many of those which speaks Afrikaans as their mother tongue will list English as their mother tongue. In fact, I know many Afrikaners which lists their mother tongue as English. There is a good chance that the English language may surpass the Afrikaans language, on paper.

At the end though, we will most likely head into a direction where we will recognise 3 official languages, English, IsiZulu and IsiXhosa. Afrikaans at this moment is a boiling pot about to boil over... national consensus on the language is inevitable and it will also cause division for some time. The other 'native' languages will be considered territorial.

To get back to sign language, why is there not a clear definition between a sign or spoken language. From my perspective sign language, the British version, is already an ‘official’ South African language, but it is not a spoken language and cater to those with special needs. I do not see the need to include it alongside our spoken languages, as it is categorically unique. The only country that I know which has officially recognised the language alongside their native spoken languages is New Zealand.

Thats growth by pure number of people, not relative percentage of the population which is more relevant.

Zulu 22.7% 23.8% -1.1
Xhosa 16.0% 17.6% -1.6
Afrikaans 13.5% 13.3% +0.2
English 9.6% 8.2% +1.4

ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_South_Africa
 
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