Smart roads

As long as they reduce the petrol price to reflect that we are now paying directly for road tax, I would be happy. Less hands in the pie then, but if they keep taxing us on the petrol price plus road tax, then I think a nice toi toi will be in order.
 
I still cannot believe that they are going to tax you for using the roads that your tax money built.

Strangely enough, an area-wide petrol and diesel tax system could have achieved the same results, with far less overhead, but, I suppose this was scrapped because it unfairly punishes the taxi industry, and anybody else to whom a concessionary toll-tag could be given to.

I am assuming that the TAXI's will not be charged tollgate fee's, obviously, cos they'll all just say no, and demonstrate their stubbornness willingly.

There is a chance that the road users will be forced to make plans to save themselves some money, by forming lift clubs. But, mostly, this extra cost will be fed back into the economy because the employee's will demand a raise to cover this new cost.

Moving closer to work is almost impossible because you simply cannot sell your property no matter how hard you try, and usually, a household has at least 2 working people in it, at different places.

Then there's the admin involved in setting this all up, standing in queue's to get your tag and paying e-natis fee's for the privilege. I wonder how much money (per transaction) the computer system controlling these transactions will be making, and which BEE company will be getting the happy cash from that.

I also wonder if there was any forethought put into ensuring that the controllers of this system could be replaced once a year, using the tender system, to prevent blatant profiteering, or even sneaky and underhanded profiteering.

This system is going to be used to try to make more money from speeders, because your right to pass through a toll gate is now going to be affected by your unpaid fines. They will add unpaid fines to your toll-gate bill, and you'll be oh so tempted to just pay the damn fines to get rid of them, guilty or not.

Not to mention the fact that this system will do nothing to alleviate the burden on the existing road infrastructure. It will make a lot of people stuck in traffic even more unhappy though, and cost a fortune in more toll-gate booth construction.

Here in KZN, the cost of one toll-gate building to extend an existing one was at R1.3m, and it involves the tarred section expansion, a concrete block for a roof, that tiny booth that we all know so well, but excludes the electronics.

Oh, this will also create employment for some 140 or so people, yay. Why don't they offer to train teachers for free, and offer to upgrade existing teachers for free so that we can get more education systems rolling?

I still recon that Gauteng as a whole must completely and utterly boycott this system out of principal, and instead insist that education, food generation, product generation and LLU become a priority focus.

Taxing the commuters who drive the economy is downright inflationary and just takes and gives nothing back.

@astrauss : They can finance the upgrades from our tax money, like we pay them to. Your statement is implying that our tax money must not be used to service us. Pfffft.
http://www.nra.co.za/live/content.php?Category_ID=6
This may shed some light as too why certain taxes are not available to them.

And your statments about Toll booths and the expense and congestion that result ... hmmm... this isn't a convention toll project... it is Open Road Tolling... also known as Multi Lane Free Flow (MLFF)... See links below

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_Transportation_System
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_road_tolling
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_toll_collection
 
I notice they want to toll "unregistered" vehicles by number plate - sending an invoice if you don't pay up fast enough.

I see a massive market for fraudulent number plating syndicates opening up.
Processes are underway to include RFID tags in Gauteng number plates to reduce fraudulent use... you're not the first person to realise this...
 
Unregistered users would be given a grace period in which to identify themselves or be invoiced to the address reflected on the eNatis system.

This has fail written all over it.
Firstly you need to be sure the vehicle actually has a number plate, a camera/scanner can't do this. So now you need a traffic/metro cop to stop the car and issue a fine and force you to display it - not going to happen.

Tagged plates or not, if I "acquire" another vehicle's (which happened to park in the wrong place at the wrong time) number plate some unlucky oke will be sending plenty lawyers letters to someone so as to not pay for the use of a toll road in Jo'Burg whilst he was visiting in Cape Town. So after some nice lengthy clever letter writing and some loss of profit over a R100.00 toll account later, there will be no winner on the other side. This has already been a problem with speed camera fines for some time: On the photo a white Merc with reg no. BITEME GP, on the eNatis system - a red BMW M3 with Reg no BITEME GP. Yet in spite of the obvious facts not matching, the fine is sent out to the poor BM owner, ag shame.

The general lawlessness in SA makes it a bit of a big ask to have this work, unless of course the few law abiding people still left in SA are left to foot th bill.
 
I notice they want to toll "unregistered" vehicles by number plate - sending an invoice if you don't pay up fast enough.

I see a massive market for fraudulent number plating syndicates opening up.

just have a thing on the plate blocking it for a few minutes as you drive past.

o and their ocr system works very well......the camera reads your plate and they know who you are in a few seconds.
 
Sigh ... this isn't going to work. TIA

What's going to stop people driving with false number plates or no number plates?
If it means saving a few hundred a month nearly everyone is going to jump on the "no pay" bandwagon.


Especially if there are no cops pulling you over on the highway, since its now an "automated" system...

and since when does a taxi driver obey *ANY* traffic laws in any case??? FAIL
 
Especially if there are no cops pulling you over on the highway, since its now an "automated" system...

and since when does a taxi driver obey *ANY* traffic laws in any case??? FAIL

was pondering the same thing, they not going to pay are they?
 
...The general lawlessness in SA makes it a bit of a big ask to have this work, unless of course the few law abiding people still left in SA are left to foot th bill.
Exactly, it hurts the law abiding tax payer, the rest will be completely and utterly unaffected.
i.e. It does not help us, it does not solve any of our problems, it just rapes us.
 
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