Smokers need not apply

Tassidar said:
The same could be said to apply for marathon runners, who put immense strain on their knees. Why not discriminate against them?
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But duh! are they endangering other people's wellbeing like the smokers. :rolleyes:
 
As an employer, I wish for the day all this labour legislation to be scrapped.

I've taken the risk with my money.

I've taken the initiative

I've taken the punch of extreme stress etc to be able to pay salaries

Why do I have to suffer to get rid of baddies or unwanteds?

Why must I sell of part of my hard work to a non-deserving BEE partner?

I wish for the day I can walk in, write out as many termination of services notes as I wish, give the ex-employee his cheque and show them all the door.

At least, the BOSS will then be in charge again!
 
My wife's last company had the right idea. They had fairly flexible working hours. You had to be there between the core hours of 9 till 15:30. Then you had to work a certain number of hours each week. How you managed it was your problem - you could arrive early and leave early, or arrive late and leave late, whatever. The rub was that you clocked in and out, and the canteen and smoking areas were outside the main office. So if you went for a smoke, you clocked out.

Thus the smokers could smoke as often as they liked, provided they made up their hours. Six 15-minute smoke breaks meant you had to put in an extra 1.5 hours of work.

Seemed very sensible to me.
 
Angelo said:
But duh! are they endangering other people's wellbeing like the smokers. :rolleyes:
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If you smoke outside, what effect do you have on other people's wellbeing? I thought that fairly obvious (not needing to be explained). Next time I will make sure to express the painfully obvious.

No offices nowdays allow employees to smoke inside. This also contributes to lost time, as employees have to walk outside, which in a large office, can be a good couple of minutes.

Claymore, that idea seems to be the best solution.
 
The World Health Organisation has for 2 years now refused to employ smokers. Current smokers are allowed to stay though.
 
If you smoke outside, what effect do you have on other people's wellbeing?
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Do you mean besides the gauntlet of smokers I have to walk through when entering any building?
 
*points to the thousands of cubic meters of poisonous car exhaust fumes, that fill the air everywhere*
*points to the cubic centimeters of smoke from burning tobacco*

One car puts out more toxins in a few hours, than all a smoker's cigarettes over an entire lifetime.

Someone should tell non smokers that worrying about cigarette smoke in the chemical haze of car exhausts and factory emissions, is absurd, scientifically ridiculous - and about as sensible as trying to put an elastoplast on a sucking chest wound.
Ps: Non smokers die, every day. Sorry.
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LoneGunman said:
*points to the thousands of cubic meters of poisonous car exhaust fumes, that fill the air everywhere*
*points to the cubic centimeters of smoke from burning tobacco*

One car puts out more toxins in a few hours, than all a smoker's cigarettes over an entire lifetime.

Someone should tell non smokers that worrying about cigarette smoke in the chemical haze of car exhausts and factory emissions, is absurd, scientifically ridiculous - and about as sensible as trying to put an elastoplast on a sucking chest wound.
Ps: Non smokers die, every day. Sorry.
:)
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According to Cancer research UK
While air pollution may cause up to 3% of lung cancer cases in the UK, smoking causes up to 90%. This means that smoking causes nearly 30 times more lung cancers than air pollution does.
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Significant difference?
 
I 'sort of' agree. Don't force me to be confined with you while your smoking.
Be considerate enough to at least keep the other people in mind by doing it in a spacious / private area.

/wonders how long it will take till the pill / lollipop is available that will give you your fag fix :D
 
kaspaas said:
At last - a government with come common sense! :D :D :D :D

Brussels - European employers are free to say 'Smokers need not apply' when they advertise for jobs, a European Commission spokesperson said on Saturday.
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I'm not a smoker, but would lend support to having this struck down for the discrimination it is.

They should bar coffee drinkers too. They go to the toilet more often.
 
Angelo said:
But duh! are they endangering other people's wellbeing like the smokers. :rolleyes:
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Smokers are endangering no-one else's well-being. They cannot smoke in the office, and rightly so, but are entitled to smoke outside or in a designated room.

While I have supported measures such as banning smoking inside offices things have now gone altogether too far with such idiotic measures as banning smoking within a certain distance of the outside of public buildings.
 
Claymore said:
My wife's last company had the right idea. They had fairly flexible working hours. You had to be there between the core hours of 9 till 15:30. Then you had to work a certain number of hours each week. How you managed it was your problem - you could arrive early and leave early, or arrive late and leave late, whatever. The rub was that you clocked in and out, and the canteen and smoking areas were outside the main office. So if you went for a smoke, you clocked out.

Thus the smokers could smoke as often as they liked, provided they made up their hours. Six 15-minute smoke breaks meant you had to put in an extra 1.5 hours of work.

Seemed very sensible to me.
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It is rather discriminatory. They take their necessary periodic work breaks and use them for smoking, while other people take them at their desk. I'm not even sure what they're doing is actually legal, although even if not with today's general harassment of smokers it would surprise me if they were allowed to get away with it. If I worked at such a company I certainly investigate legal recourse the smokers might have.
 
While air pollution may cause up to 3% of lung cancer cases in the UK, smoking causes up to 90%. This means that smoking causes nearly 30 times more lung cancers than air pollution does.

Significant difference?
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Yes, but only to the smokers themselves. Secondhand smoke is near harmless unless you suffer from lung problems, and in that case vehicle fumes are going to be a major problem as well.
 
bdt said:
Ah, it helps to read ALL the words - and in context! Fair enough, I misread the specifics, but I reckon got the gist. But on whether religion is something you can choose: ask that same question in the middle of Iraq and San Francisco and see what answers you get. Essentially: it depends on the cultural milieu where you'rea asking it.
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Doesn't matter, religion is still technically a choice. It's not like skin colour or sex. Even if you have surgery to change your outward sex you're still genetically whatever you were when you were conceived. There is no Christian, Islamic or any other religion gene*.

You can file me under atheist (original meaning, not the modern meaning).

*Hell if there were we could just modify all embryos so there is only one religion, then people would have to kill each other over something important, like which side they butter their bread.
 
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