SNO announcement finally made!

I say, we party now and if the SNO disappoints, we take the fire from the grill to their HQ and use the building as a massive braai. After that we go over to Telkom's HQ and do the same there. All with music and a BIG party, naturally... And then I for one will say BUCK THE LAW!!! If the laws do not serve the people, then the people should not serve the laws. I will however only do that if the SNO fails and Telkom doesn't lighten up...

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Antowan

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<font color="red">SNO licence hangs on partners' vote.<font size="4"></font id="size4"></font id="red">

http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=2202082


Let's hope that they can actually get together and sign, otherwise.....
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i><font color="blue">Originally posted by antowan</font id="blue"></i>
... And then I for one will say BUCK THE LAW!!! If the laws do not serve the people, then the people should not serve the laws. I will however only do that if the SNO fails and Telkom doesn't lighten up...
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The only laws should be the one's which serve the people.

This government makes and retains laws to serve itself and its ideologies.

The SNO will make no difference to the people, this has already been admitted by those within the SNO.

What we need is a second LOOK at the laws and create an environment for the TNO, FNO & FNO which could freely offer services to the people.

The SNO is a non-event as far as the people are concerned.
 
I thought there was a court case pending between two of the SNO investors?
This may be too pesimistic, but it could be Ivys smokescreen. She had to announce the SNO by month end and there are too many 'granted subject to' issues. Maybe she knows further delays are inevitable and this will take the blame off her.
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The SNO is a non-event as far as the people are concerned.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Sorry I don't agree with this comment. Although we are not going to have a totally deregulated market in the short term this is a definate step in the right direction. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the average consumer will benefit from the introduction of the SNO. For the 1st time the TelScum boys will have to take heed of competition.

Don't for one minute think that the SNO is not going to introduce products & services that are more cost effective than TelScum.
 
nOhIwAy wrote: "What we need is a second LOOK at the laws and create an environment for the TNO, FNO & FNO which could freely offer services to the people".

I agree with that. The SNO, it seems, is going to consisit of a mish-mash of state entities and private companies which will be controlled (to the extent of 51% of the whole) by an as-yet unincorporated entity (SepCo) which will in turn be controlled by an as-yet unidentified "new financial investor" -- which will in turn, I fear, be controlled (directly or indirectly) by the usual suspects. In these circumstances, I rather think that the current euphoria may soon prove to have been premature.


Michael Alachouzos
 
Somebody mentioned to me that Eskom have created something along the lines of the X10 network, and can provide 6GB on their high power lines. If voice over IP is allowed - we have a winner.
Anybody else heard of this ? I cannot find anything.

The more you know - the worse it gets.
 
This is definitely good news. The past six months have seen unprecendented public outcry over Telkom and its monopoly - basically every week there's been a damning news report or public action.
We need to keep these levels high, and continue to pressure the govt. to deregulate the telecoms laws further.

I agree the whole control of the SNO is being given to an unnamed entity - VERY shady!!

Personally I think the licencing requirements should include price ceilings to encourage prices to drop - if the SNO is forced to offer substantially cheaper lines, Telkom will have to follow.

Anyhow time will tell...

<font color="blue">Telkom needs a leash, ICASA needs some guts, and the </font id="blue"><font color="red">SA consumer</font id="red"><font color="blue"> needs to make it happen</font id="blue">
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by ASF</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The SNO is a non-event as far as the people are concerned.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Sorry I don't agree with this comment. ...
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I hope you are correct, but what I see is the creation of an asymmetrical duopoly (mmm....) and the SNO will operate on precisely the same basis as telkom, protected by the same laws.

Just how it is in africa.... by the govt. for the govt. with the peoples money until it runs out - then with the donors money until that runs out and then famine - just how it is in most of africa.

<b><font color="red">We should call in the RED CROSS without delay</font id="red"></b>
 
I have to agree - rise of the SNO might actually mave the effect of simply increasing opposition to true deregulation - they will be in a similar position to TELKOM and actually have a vested interest in MORE regulation.(or simply the retention of bad / restrictive legislation)
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The licence would be granted subject to:

-- acceptance of the shareholding and control structure of the SNO;

-- finalisation of and agreement on the business plan; and

-- finalisation of the shareholders' and subscription agreements.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Dont want to be so pessimistic, but these are big. It seems old Ivy said "we have licensed the SNO" when what she should have said was "we will license the SNO should the people agree on..." I think she was just under lots of pressure from all sides, so she made an announcement. Still think it will be awhile before all the mess is sorted, and the SNO can actually start

Choc
 
As far as I know, Transtel and Eskom have both had thier own communications network in place for years, not to mention all the new lines they have laid down. Remember there was all that hype about how the lines were bought and laid and now are just sitting there, devalueing (sp?) ?

I don't think that they will be leasing lines from Telkom and even if they do, it will probably be a small amount of lines and not the majority, this should keep the costs down.

Transtel went to court last year over providing thier own communications network to certain people, I can't remember the exact details. If you have the time I'm sure you can find it somewhere on Trastel's website.

The other side of the coin is, last year some time, there was a article that quoted one of the board members of the SNO stating that they were not going to go into a pricing war with Telkom, but rather compete at a service level side. So I don't think voice calls are gonna get much cheaper. Services like ADSL might cost the same, but we MIGHT get lucky and see the cap fall away, or get a larger one.

I'm guessing you will be able to order services by the end of the year. Me, I'm moving to UK on the 12 Sept for 2 years, so by the time I get back, hopefully everything should have the kinks worked out of it, but in the mean time, I'll go broadband at 30 pounds per month.

SynAck
 
transtel has the use of train tracks to lay cables along escom can use power lines and both have a massive telkoms network rolled out already ...

at a ISPA meeting a while back there was a presentation of this and it was very intresting to see what has been done ...

where i think there is benefit is that they are new and have a point to prove and proffit to make the old fasioned way and under cutting telkom is the only way to do it ... like wise telkom has investors to please and loss of market share is not a option so there will be some kind of price war ...
 
just another thought as it will be competitive and one will try bring a product before the other ICASA will have to take a laxitive ...

you will have to ease up there ...
 
SNO is the only medicine government has in hand.It may not be enough to cure the problem.

It will create competition to Telkom,but not necessary big price reduction.
1 SNO has to purchase international bandwidth from Telkom (SAFE,SAT-2,SAT-3).
2 Fixed-line infrastructure are costly & slow to build compare to wireless ,until SNO has its own network,I'm afriad it's just "Someone-else's Network Operator"
Do not expect a price war soon ,you will be disappointed.
Dr Ivy ,Please have a contingency-plan ready.
 
I think the bigest thing to be effected by the SNO is data line provision, they neednt use "Telkom lines" to do this (and who the hell would want to?!) and will be offering much newer and better technology as their website suggests. This should allow local ISP's to interconnect better.

- Colin Alston
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"Getting traffic shaping right is easy and can be summed up in one word: Dont." -- George Barnett
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Karnaugh</i>
<br />I think the bigest thing to be effected by the SNO is data line provision, they neednt use "Telkom lines" to do this (and who the hell would want to?!) and will be offering much newer and better technology as their website suggests. This should allow local ISP's to interconnect better.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

do you have a link to "their website" and

how will SNO link mr j. citizen and mr b. businessman free of telkom or saix?
 
I guess the first to benefit from the SNO (if they actually gets of the ground) will be those with the R-million per month kind of accounts.

Us, the consumer, is way down in the telecoms food chain and will only get the scraps in many years time, if ever.



South Africa needs World Class Broadband at World Competitive Prices.
 
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"I guess the first to benefit from the SNO (if they actually gets of the ground) will be those with the R-million per month kind of accounts."

Unfortunately those R-million accounts are already tie-up by Telkom with a 2 year contract ;(
 
Quite obviously you can guess that the SNO's website could posibly be http://www.transtel.co.za/ with little effort.


- Colin Alston
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"Getting traffic shaping right is easy and can be summed up in one word: Dont." -- George Barnett
 
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