Snowball Warning

StellenboschStudent

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I just want to warn you, if you are on the lookout for an service provider, don't even consider Snowball. They are by far the most useless service provider in the country. When our internet is working, it is so damn slow, I think a dial-up would be faster. Even though I complained tons of times, it seems like nothing has been done.
If I now can only find an alternative service provider I am moving my subscription.

Damn they are useless!
 
For a good ISP, take a look at Axxess or WebAfrica... heard they are really good.
 
It seems al WISPs are plagued with problems?

Well my connection should be sorted out by this week. I was told my service will be upgraded. Also had lots of problems untill now.

There should be alternative service providers in your area?

What was your line-speed supposed to be?:D
 
There are other service providers but it is such a hassle... Been in contact with a couple of companies but they are to expensive/I need to install an ADSL line...

512kB Burst... but I never ever in my life got near that... most of the times it is really horrible slow, takes like 5min+ to load a 2 to 3 min video on youtube. I tried to download a clip the otherday of about 120MB and took hours...
 
Wireless internet that works seems to be a myth in this country.

If your able to get copper, go for it.

It has to be more stable than wireless. I have had a wireless connection for about a year now and it has never worked properly.

At least the guys I am with are now trying to sort it out. But its one of the most frustrating situations to experience. Only Telscum might be worse?

I understand what you're going through.:D
 
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At least for now I live with my brother but in two years time I am moving out (done with studies then) then I will get myself some proper internet... Wireless is not the answer...
 
With wireless, much depends on the area you are in and on the number of other customers connected to the same high site.

I have been a Snowball wireless client since 2004 (I think). Telkom "could not" provide me with an ADSL line at the time due to "technical limitations"...
I started out with a 256kbps package which was then upgraded to the current 512kbps / 4GB package.
It is has not been without problems, but since I have been using a Mikrotik routerboard & uplink, all has been working 100%, running at rated speed.

I am lucky that our neighborhood does not have many wireless services running and thus is "quiet" from a wireless point of view with limited sources of interference. I am also very close to the Snowball high site, so close that even with trees in the way, all is working fine.
I do not know how many users sharing my high site, but guess not many (hope it stays that way). :)
 
There are other service providers but it is such a hassle... Been in contact with a couple of companies but they are to expensive/I need to install an ADSL line...

512kB Burst... but I never ever in my life got near that... most of the times it is really horrible slow, takes like 5min+ to load a 2 to 3 min video on youtube. I tried to download a clip the otherday of about 120MB and took hours...

Where in Stellenbosch are you?

Stellenbosch Community Network (SCN), the wireless project implemented by Stellenbosch University in partnership with Stellenbosch Municipality is due to increase its coverage soon with a new high site on Papegaaiberg.

If you can get SCN signal and are studying at Stellenbosch University, that might be an option for you.
 
I live in Welgevonden Estate, a lot of users round here, so that is one problem.

Will keep a lookout for the SCN, maybe that will work better.
Thanks
 
I use a WISP since no copper is available in the complex I stay in. So far the service has been ok and the stated line speed is 1Mbit with a 7GB cap for R900 / month and using Mikrotik equipment. I'm in the north west though.
 
Mikrotik is the best. My connection improved a lot after my WISP installed it.

But then they stuffed around with the tower and since then, poor signal resulting in slow speeds and regular disconnects.

I'm just about ready to give up and go onto gprs permanently. It's just so expensive!:D
 
I live in Welgevonden Estate, a lot of users round here, so that is one problem.

Will keep a lookout for the SCN, maybe that will work better.
Thanks

AFIAK there is a high site planned on Simonsberg as well, which should provide coverage for Welgevonden.

I have heard that the new high sites will be operating at 5GHz (not 2.4GHz). Depending on your equipment, you might need to change your antenna and/or radio.

Stellenbosch University Students will be able to access the University network from SCN via VPN connection.
 
AFIAK there is a high site planned on Simonsberg as well, which should provide coverage for Welgevonden.

I have heard that the new high sites will be operating at 5GHz (not 2.4GHz). Depending on your equipment, you might need to change your antenna and/or radio.

Stellenbosch University Students will be able to access the University network from SCN via VPN connection.

Latest news I got is that the SCN high site on Papegaaiberg went live end of 2008, but the mast on Simonsberg will not be carrying SCN any time soon.

So to connect to SCN, you will need line of sight to Papegaaiberg or else to Helshoogte residence.
 
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I just want to warn you, if you are on the lookout for an service provider, don't even consider Snowball. They are by far the most useless service provider in the country. When our internet is working, it is so damn slow, I think a dial-up would be faster. Even though I complained tons of times, it seems like nothing has been done.
If I now can only find an alternative service provider I am moving my subscription.

Damn they are useless!

StellenboschStudent, thank you for reporting your dismay with Snowball on MyBroadband's forum. As the owner of Snowball I would love to take this opportunity to response to some of the matters mentioned in your complaint and the subsequent posts.

1. I am surprised that you are complaining about the reliability of our service. Most of our clients are very satisfied with not only the quality but especially the reliability of our service. If a client is unhappy we try to sort out the problem. Wireless is an abstract medium and this is sometimes a difficult task, but five years of experience have given us the opportunity to identify and eradicate problems.

If a client is unhappy with the service our help desk engineers have strict instructions to escalate the matter to management. The difficult problems normally come to me because I manage the company and I designed the network. Normally when something isn't working I know exactly how to fix it or how to provide a workaround.

Your case was not escalated to me. I am ot sure exactly who you are because "StellenboschStudent" is quite a generic name to use. But you are most welcome to contact me and I can look through our client support history for your case. You do mention being in Welgevonden, and I know that we have one very close high site in Welgevonden and one quite far. Your service could have been poor because you were signed up to the far high site. Either way if you were treated badly I will also refund you your money.

2. I see you mention you wanted another service provider. It's now almost four months after your complaint and I am curious to hear if you came right. Snowball has a policy that if we can't satisfy a client, and we also can't provide them with an alternative or workaround, we will gladly refer them to another network. We also sometimes recommend ADSL as an alternative to wireless, as ADSL is also quite a good technology.

Unfortunately I only came across this complaint by accident but had I known about it before I would have addressed it.

3. If notice "froot" mentions WebAfrica and Axxess. As far as I know both those companies don't provide wireless, but I could be wrong. I assume you had some specific reason why you wanted to choose wireless over ADSL? Most of our clients choose wireless because it's a very cost-effective medium and it does not require a telephone line. We can also troubleshoot wireless much more effectively compared to ADSL - with ADSL we're often left in Telkom's hands.

4. I see froot mentions we are quite expensive. On the contrary we believe our wireless products are very cost-effective. Our ADSL product pricing is also generally on par with WebAfrica and Axxess.

5. StellenboschStudent I see you mention you had the 512kbit burst package. All 512kbit packages called "burst" is no longer, but they are asymetrical with a 512kbit download speed and a 256kbit upload speed. I will put my head on a block and absolutely guarantee you that you will get exactly 512kbit to our data centre. For any of our clients, do this test: http://www.snowball.co.za/speedtest It's extremely easy for us to control the exact speed you have from the high site to our data centre and we don't use any tricks or rip off our clients by advertising speeds that we don't meet.

What you are referring to is your speed to the Internet and specifically to the interational site YouTube over which Snowball has very little or no control. Our job as Internet service provider is to connect you to the WWW and make sure we have enough capacity to do so for each and every client. We have huge spare capacity on our wireless network. We have more than enough local bandwidth, fed via a fiber optic link into the Internet. In addition to that we load-balance 14 other copper lines in order to supplement our International traffic.

You don't mention the actual speed you got - you realise that 512mbit equates to about 64 kbytes per second? That means under 100% optimal conditions in one hour you will download 225 MB? (512Mbit/8MB*60s*60m/1024) Nobody ever gets optimal conditions to international sites. But I guarantee you would get that to a local site. I download Ubuntu updates on my wireless link from home I get up to 6mbit on my line.

To give you some idea of what we can achieve on our network, I have uploaded some real-world speed tests I recently did from a client. From these you will see that the problem is not the wireless - but rather how the Internet is an interconnected network of networks.

Snowball Download Speed Test
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php?photo=9475

Snowball DOS FTP Upload and Download Speed Test
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php?photo=9477

6. I take note of rebel998's comment about "But the guys that started off the industry here has not done so very well it seems." I'm kinda hoping he's referring to Snowball being right there from the start :-) But anyway let me assure you Snowball is doing extremely well and our network and client base is rock solid and growing every day. We are one of the most stable, sophisticated, and professional ISP / WISPs around and we are very proud of our backup and support. We have transparent systems and our staff is well trained in client service. Quality of service on wireless is huge challenge but we do everything in our power to provide a world-class service.

7. Thank you mountain_lion on complimenting on the quality of our service. We have a lot of very satisfied clients who has the same experience as you.

Finally I would like to mention I really have respect for the guys trying to build the community networks. I have been running an ISP for ten years and doing wireless for 5 years, and it's a very capital intensive game. Just because the airwaves are "free" doesn't mean it's cheap or easy to run a reliable network. The real cost is providing backup and support and great customer service.
 
StellenboschStudent, thank you for reporting your dismay with Snowball on MyBroadband's forum. As the owner of Snowball I would love to take this opportunity to response to some of the matters mentioned in your complaint and the subsequent posts.

1. I am surprised that you are complaining about the reliability of our service. Most of our clients are very satisfied with not only the quality but especially the reliability of our service. If a client is unhappy we try to sort out the problem. Wireless is an abstract medium and this is sometimes a difficult task, but five years of experience have given us the opportunity to identify and eradicate problems.

If a client is unhappy with the service our help desk engineers have strict instructions to escalate the matter to management. The difficult problems normally come to me because I manage the company and I designed the network. Normally when something isn't working I know exactly how to fix it or how to provide a workaround.

Your case was not escalated to me. I am ot sure exactly who you are because "StellenboschStudent" is quite a generic name to use. But you are most welcome to contact me and I can look through our client support history for your case. You do mention being in Welgevonden, and I know that we have one very close high site in Welgevonden and one quite far. Your service could have been poor because you were signed up to the far high site. Either way if you were treated badly I will also refund you your money.

2. I see you mention you wanted another service provider. It's now almost four months after your complaint and I am curious to hear if you came right. Snowball has a policy that if we can't satisfy a client, and we also can't provide them with an alternative or workaround, we will gladly refer them to another network. We also sometimes recommend ADSL as an alternative to wireless, as ADSL is also quite a good technology.

Unfortunately I only came across this complaint by accident but had I known about it before I would have addressed it.

3. If notice "froot" mentions WebAfrica and Axxess. As far as I know both those companies don't provide wireless, but I could be wrong. I assume you had some specific reason why you wanted to choose wireless over ADSL? Most of our clients choose wireless because it's a very cost-effective medium and it does not require a telephone line. We can also troubleshoot wireless much more effectively compared to ADSL - with ADSL we're often left in Telkom's hands.

4. I see froot mentions we are quite expensive. On the contrary we believe our wireless products are very cost-effective. Our ADSL product pricing is also generally on par with WebAfrica and Axxess.

5. StellenboschStudent I see you mention you had the 512kbit burst package. All 512kbit packages called "burst" is no longer, but they are asymetrical with a 512kbit download speed and a 256kbit upload speed. I will put my head on a block and absolutely guarantee you that you will get exactly 512kbit to our data centre. For any of our clients, do this test: http://www.snowball.co.za/speedtest It's extremely easy for us to control the exact speed you have from the high site to our data centre and we don't use any tricks or rip off our clients by advertising speeds that we don't meet.

What you are referring to is your speed to the Internet and specifically to the interational site YouTube over which Snowball has very little or no control. Our job as Internet service provider is to connect you to the WWW and make sure we have enough capacity to do so for each and every client. We have huge spare capacity on our wireless network. We have more than enough local bandwidth, fed via a fiber optic link into the Internet. In addition to that we load-balance 14 other copper lines in order to supplement our International traffic.

You don't mention the actual speed you got - you realise that 512mbit equates to about 64 kbytes per second? That means under 100% optimal conditions in one hour you will download 225 MB? (512Mbit/8MB*60s*60m/1024) Nobody ever gets optimal conditions to international sites. But I guarantee you would get that to a local site. I download Ubuntu updates on my wireless link from home I get up to 6mbit on my line.

To give you some idea of what we can achieve on our network, I have uploaded some real-world speed tests I recently did from a client. From these you will see that the problem is not the wireless - but rather how the Internet is an interconnected network of networks.

Snowball Download Speed Test
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php?photo=9475

Snowball DOS FTP Upload and Download Speed Test
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php?photo=9477

6. I take note of rebel998's comment about "But the guys that started off the industry here has not done so very well it seems." I'm kinda hoping he's referring to Snowball being right there from the start :-) But anyway let me assure you Snowball is doing extremely well and our network and client base is rock solid and growing every day. We are one of the most stable, sophisticated, and professional ISP / WISPs around and we are very proud of our backup and support. We have transparent systems and our staff is well trained in client service. Quality of service on wireless is huge challenge but we do everything in our power to provide a world-class service.

7. Thank you mountain_lion on complimenting on the quality of our service. We have a lot of very satisfied clients who has the same experience as you.

Finally I would like to mention I really have respect for the guys trying to build the community networks. I have been running an ISP for ten years and doing wireless for 5 years, and it's a very capital intensive game. Just because the airwaves are "free" doesn't mean it's cheap or easy to run a reliable network. The real cost is providing backup and support and great customer service.

Thanks for the reply.

I will try and respond to everything you said, but if I forget to answer any of your questions, please ask again.

1. Well, the contract for our internet is under Dawie van den Heever (29 Belladonna Street). I have made a number of complaints, but ever since the last complaint (end of last year if I remember correctly) everything is working 100% better. I talked to one of your engineers (cannot remember his name) and he gave me excellent service, gave me his private cell number if the same problem arises again. But I am more than happy with the reliability of the service.

2. I have not canceled my contract with Snowball, as I mentioned above, after my previous complaint, all problems were corrected, and I am very happy with the service I am getting now.

3. The only other service provider I contacted was Wish and their costumer support wasn't great. Don't know of any other wireless providers in the area.

4. I must agree with you on the cost point. Prices are really competitive and nothing to complain about.

5. I did the speed test and got 522kbit download and 186kbit upload. I am aware of the difference between bits and bytes yes, but speeds overall are much better. I do both Windows XP and Mac Leopard OS 10.5 updates and that goes quick enough, so no more complaints about speeds.

6. Every time I made a complaint on your site (been a couple), I always get a reply within five working days, so must give your client support a thumbs up.

If I remember correctly (and I am sure you can verify this) they rerouted my signal, so I think that was the problem. Everything is much better now, much more reliable, more stable and much faster as well.

Thanks for stating your point. And sorry that I haven't posted an update on my own to state the great client support and that all my problems are a thing of the past.

I can highly recommend Snowball to anyone that is on the lookout for a wireless service provider. Client support is great and for the service it self it is wonderful now and I have nothing to complain about anymore.
 
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