So will you go local?

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If you use little bandwidth, sure it will be cheap but who wants to be limited to 2Gb or whatever stupid limits are on these accounts.

Lets say a company decides to put up a simple website (company info, product info, contacts, etc. with a smallish database) and they explore their hosting options.

They sure as hell won't put up a dedicated server for starters (whereas they would use local bandwidth anyway) so shared linux hosting is their best bet.

Let's say they are bargaining on using 20GB of traffic initially since they have a fair amount of users and they want to host a few PDF documents on their site. They also want the few employees they have to be able to download a few documents using FTP.

They decide on hosting from WebAfrica and they can only spend R500 per month max on their hosting, money is tight.
So for R450 per month they can get either 10GB local bandwidth or 100+GB international bandwidth.

Isn't their choice obvious?

If your monthly usage is 20gb for the website for downloading PDF documents and getting your employees to use FTP with a budget of R500 you'd be able to get a linux shared facility for R300 and get 25gb.

You're also not limited to anything, sure there'll be overusage charges. But as your website grows in popularity, you'd scale your solution.

And face it. Any business who are serious about their online presence and needs 20gb+ of data transfer a month for something like that has to be realistic and think about spending some money.

How much (in the long run) does it save you when you'd have to pay international data rates for downloading/uploading to your FTP? Sure you're saving a "massive" amount of money, having 15quaddrillion terabytes of data available to you for the low price of $9.95. But compare it with data rates you'd have to pay to actually transact from within SA on your server to be able to access your massive amount of data transfer available to that of how much local-only packages cost and you'll start to see it's not that "massive" of a saving to begin with.

Each to his own I guess, but let's say international goes down (which, face it, does happen several times a year). Does your business grind to a halt because you cannot access your FTP? (I know some companies who have, and an outage for longer than a day got ME in trouble nevermind Telkom)

You'd also have to remember, depending on the PDF size (which for web really shouldn't be more than 2mb really, depending on number of pages). You're going to get about 3000+ unique hits a month before reaching your "cap"

And that brings me 180 back to my previous point, if your data usage and clientele dictates the amount of bandwidth required to be more than 20gb, having a budget of R500 won't get you far if you're really popular and should scale accordingly (as any business should)

But even if you do grow a lot, you can still keep the traffic within SA and only go over your measly R500 budget with R100 and get 55gb of transfer instead of 25gb for R300. a bit more than double for R300 more.

Now provided, this does assume that your business within SA borders are focused here and not internationally, where it would then make sense to have your servers overseas.

But someone that has a website for inquiries about their tattoo parlor with photos of their creations which you can browse through, you're not going to do much traffic unless you're so ****ing awesome that everyone wants you and you're booked 6 months in advance for tattoos... but like i said, even then you're scaling your website to have more traffic/disk space for all your creations (some might even go as far as to use it as a tool for bookings)

I do about 400mb-1.1gb a month per website (I have 8) which is on average 500 unique users surfing my website (images loaded off of their respective owners servers)

So 1 website with that many unique users a month does roughly *max* 1.5gb of traffic a month (that's about 4 pages per user per visit and 3 visits a month per unique)

Assuming the same statistics. With 25gb you'll be able to serve 16.5x more users. That's roughly 8500 unique users, each visiting your site at least 3 times a month and view 4-5 pages each visit.

Now if my business interests were within the borders of South Africa, I'd want to leverage off of the local-only bandwidth and speed and get my server locally... that way I ensure the folks who do get capped can still visit my sites for cheap (or free, depending which ISP you have seeing as Telkom has free local) and keep getting the flow of users in.

With moderate to no-SEO from my part 500 uniques is still pretty bland, but lets say I put up Twitter/Facebook page and start to market my website even further. And let's assume it's a company website (taking from the tattoo parlor part) and I'd like to interact more with my customers and users... awesome.. I can *do just that* for cheap without having to host overseas.

And again, to re-iterate. If your company wants an online presence and wants to take hold of the power of word-of-mount online and marketing products online (even if you don't sell online) then it's a great start, and when you do explode, so will your budget because it's bringing in money that justifies the expenses of having the website hosted...

Good luck with your terabytes of data overseas when the cable breaks, especially when all the uncapped users nowadays uses Seacom ;)
 

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How much (in the long run) does it save you when you'd have to pay international data rates for downloading/uploading to your FTP? Sure you're saving a "massive" amount of money, having 15quaddrillion terabytes of data available to you for the low price of $9.95. But compare it with data rates you'd have to pay to actually transact from within SA on your server to be able to access your massive amount of data transfer available to that of how much local-only packages cost and you'll start to see it's not that "massive" of a saving to begin with.

Many small businesses don't even know you can make use of local bandwidth to save on access costs :D

Like you said, each case is different.

The R800 price tag for 17GB local traffic is a bit too much really.

I still just wish it could be cheaper than it is now. Would've been nice if we all could host our sites locally without even thinking about how it will affect the size of our wallets if we rather hosted our website a few thousand miles away.
 

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Many small businesses don't even know you can make use of local bandwidth to save on access costs :D

Like you said, each case is different.

The R800 price tag for 17GB local traffic is a bit too much really.

I still just wish it could be cheaper than it is now. Would've been nice if we all could host our sites locally without even thinking about how it will affect the size of our wallets if we rather hosted our website a few thousand miles away.

You have to give me what you're smoking...

Web Africa is charging R150 for 12gb, R 600 would get you 55gb

If you go Windows based hosting, R889 (close to the price you said) would get you 80gb

No not mb, gb. I mean giga-byte.

So you just pulling pricing out your ass to try and justify your decision to stay overseas???
 

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Im sort of considering moving my site to local only, but I first want to finish setting it up properly and modifying the phpbb3 on it.

quick question, if I wanted to open a web proxy for local users just for a handful of sites people would use a lot (ie. All email services, news sites, nzb indexing sites, etc) and use decent caching for the .zip files (for use with index sites) would the R900 for 80gb be sufficient to handle the traffic? Its just a matter of interest for interest with price drops here.
 

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I see from Web Africa's new hosting packages for local transfer etc that it's pretty much affordable hosting some of my sites (if not all my local sites) locally now.

Any of you guys thinking of doing the same?
R29/gig still has a very long way to go to get to $0.12/gig.
 

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R29/gig still has a very long way to go to get to $0.12/gig.

We're talking hosting bandwidth, not internet bandwidth (one is for sites being hosted and the other is for you accessing those sites) so obviously 2 things. If we're on the same page, then where did you pull R29/gig from? Your mom's cleavage?

The price is irrelevant at this moment, we all know (and I've said this before) that international is cheaper than local, however, with R150 buying you 12gb of local (where as R99 is the cheapest option with Afrihost only giving you 2gb of bandwidth) and the fact you (conveniently) don't tell us how much bandwidth your site currently uses (if you're hosting one, which I highly doubt as you seem to indicate you don't know your ass from your elbow regarding this, like my weed smoking friend wikus) then how would you know if it won't benefit you moving your site locally?

Are you aspiring to create the next facebook for South Africa where it's going to be *so much* bandwidth that you won't be able to afford hosting it here? and like I said even if you do have such a huge ****ing demand for bandwidth for your website, then there must be some kind of stupid ****ing ass-hat advertising or budget to compensate the expenses your website is incurring. AND EVEN HAVING SAID THAT the amount of business you must be doing via your super-duper-bandwidth-gussling-website must offset the costs tremendously?! Super-duper-sites requiring terabytes of bandwidth usually makes **** loads of cash... Facebook makes a couple of hundred million a month... if your site's not making money (at all, even if it's not for profit and accepts donations only) then you don't know how to run any kind of business, even the not for profit ones. *Torrent sites* makes $100+ a day on donations to keep them running. You'd think your super-duper-bandwidth-hogging website that receives millions of hits a minute would make some to offset the costs?

/me goes to find the top 100 websites and see if yours and wikus' is one of them.... OH WAIT THEY'RE NOT


*goes down on his knees and begs the lord to strike these people with logic and hopes the chances of their survival is better than normal*
 
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wm0000

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We're talking hosting bandwidth, not internet bandwidth
Doh, of course we are.

Your mom's cleavage?
My mother died 30 years ago. Thanks.

and the fact you (conveniently) don't tell us how much bandwidth your site currently uses (if you're hosting one, which I highly doubt as you seem to indicate you don't know your ass from your elbow regarding this, like my weed smoking friend wikus) then how would you know if it won't benefit you moving your site locally?
Firstly, whether I host a site, locally or otherwise has nothing to do with it. I was making an observation. Nothing to do with whether a site exists or not. I would think that is obvious. (For the record, I do. Several thousand actually).

Are you aspiring to create the next facebook for South Africa where it's going to be *so much* bandwidth that you won't be able to afford hosting it here?
You don't seem to read. I made it clear here how much bandwidth we use - http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=3383851&postcount=40 - and yes, it is many terabytes (per day!).

Super-duper-sites requiring terabytes of bandwidth usually makes **** loads of cash... Facebook makes a couple of hundred million a month... if your site's not making money (at all, even if it's not for profit and accepts donations only) then you don't know how to run any kind of business, even the not for profit ones.
We are not all in this game for money. Your reasoning seems to suggest that big site = big money. Nothing could be further from the truth. Don't suppose it ever crossed your mind that there may be other reasons to run a large site.

*goes down on his knees and begs the lord to strike these people with logic and hopes the chances of their survival is better than normal*
Good advice. use it.
 

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You have to give me what you're smoking...

Web Africa is charging R150 for 12gb, R 600 would get you 55gb

If you go Windows based hosting, R889 (close to the price you said) would get you 80gb

No not mb, gb. I mean giga-byte.

So you just pulling pricing out your ass to try and justify your decision to stay overseas???

No. Just taking it from their site that's all.
 

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I like Hetzners service. Maybe I'll try local on some of my clients sites that are more price sensitive.
 

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Isn't sponsorship just a form of advertising?

Yes it is. But no. Hetzner isn't sponsoring anything AFAIK, the only thing I know they "sponsored" was their "expertise" for setting up the current servers.

I like Hetzners service. Maybe I'll try local on some of my clients sites that are more price sensitive.

I was referencing Web Africa's press release: http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Telecoms/10714.html

The closest is Afrihost, but their 2gb transfer (for the same price) ails in comparison with the 12gb Web Africa has for you...

But anyway. It appears that the pulse + where everyone's fingers are is two separate things...
 
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