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I love how everyone is saying that Xavi and Iniesta were "so dominant" in the midfied, their passing "is so liek out of this world" etc etc etc... Now as I said... I didn't watch the game (will do ASAP)... but I have to say from the comments... WTF were you people expecting?!?! Did you even watch the Champions League this year? More importantly... did you see how Iniesta played against Chelsea? I mean even a blind bat in a duffel bag noticed him. Sheesh... stop with all the "I didn't know they were that amazing" comments. It practically disregards everything they have done until the final and makes it out as if the final was a fluke.

/rant
 
IMO Pique and Poyal were just as influential as Xavi and Iniesita
 
Spot on!

It was expected!!! Many said that United are better than Chelsea and Barca wont have it their own way bla bla bla. Iniesta and Xavi never give the ball away.

Good article.

Messi Beat Cristiano Ronaldo, But Xavi & Iniesta Beat Them All​

The Argentine whiz triumphed in the much-hyped head-to-head battle with ‘CR7’, yet it was Barcelona’s home-grown middle-men who ran the show in Rome…​

In the first few minutes of play in the most anticipated Champions League final in recent memory, Cristiano Ronaldo threatened to make the game his own. The Manchester United man, playing through the middle, turned the Barcelona defence inside out in the early going; it was because of him that the shot tally read 5-0 to the English after eight minutes.

Then Samuel Eto’o latched onto the end of the Blaugrana’s first attack of the night, dummied around Nemanja Vidic and bundled the ball into Edwin van der Sar’s net. The game was never the same from then on.

And as Ronaldo was ushered off centre stage, into the spotlight stepped Lionel Messi.

Also removed from his customary right-wing station to play up top, the Argentine was simply a menace for the remainder of the match. Deployed by Pep Guardiola to do what he did in the 6-2 drubbing of Real Madrid at the Bernabeu, ‘Little Leo’ cruelly exposed the United rearguard’s inability to deal with genuine pace and trickery.

Messi’s knack for keeping possession in tight spaces and wending his way through crowded corridors far outstripped that of the man who beat him to the FIFA World Player of the Year award. And his off-the-ball work paid off when he drifted in to head home the second-half sealer at the far post.

In the end, it was as one-sided an affair in the Messi-Ronaldo battle as it was throughout the contest as a whole. Yet ‘El Mesias’ was not necessarily on top of his game – he hit his fair share of dead ends – and it was at the core of the Barca setup that the damage was truly done.

Such was the dominance of Xavi Hernandez and Andres Iniesta, one could be forgiven for thinking that Sir Alex Ferguson had forgotten to include any central midfielders in his starting XI. The trio of Michael Carrick, Ryan Giggs and Anderson were simply nonexistent; and barring one trademark 50-yard diagonal pass, Paul Scholes’ only contribution after coming on was to maul Sergi Busquets with similarly Scholes-esque tackle.

There was an undeniable beauty in the Spanish side’s midfield play. The quiet but controlling Xavi typified the club’s pass-and-move ethos with his tidy, inventive, one-touch football, dovetailing brilliantly with the energetic jinking of his forward-thinking partner. Between them, these two were responsible for both goals (and many more other chances): Iniesta set up the first with a muscular burst from the middle, while it was Xavi’s sublime cross that allowed Messi to nod home the second.

Truly, these two were a class apart at the Stadio Olimpico; one might even argue that this display cements them as the world’s premier playmaking pair. But credit must be given to the rest of Guardiola’s treble-winning team – in particular, the key men in their makeshift defence.

With Dani Alves and Eric Abidal suspended, Carles Puyol reverted to right-back while Yaya Toure filled in at centre-half. Both performed admirably, the captain even venturing forward during the second half and almost sliding home what would have been a well-deserved goal.

Sylvinho also executed his role with aplomb – Ji-sung Park hardly had a touch – but the star man at the back was, appropriately, Gerard Pique. Sold by United last year, the youngster has grown immeasurably since returning to Camp Nou and capped off a fine season with a rock-solid showing in Rome. One must think that Ferguson would gladly have swapped Vidic for his former charge on the night.

All in all, it was a supreme all-round performance from Barcelona: they comfortably outplayed their opposition, and Guardiola out-thought his vastly more experienced counterpart. If ever there has been a deserving winner of the European Cup, it is Barca.

Mike Maguire, Goal.com
 
Yep, this is what those guys do week in/out in la liga.


xavi and iniesta talking about their barca "education":

"Receive, pass, offer, receive, pass, offer," is how Iniesta recalls his education. Xavi, meanwhile, talks as if his talent is a side issue: "I am a child of the system, a pupil at the Barcelona school of football."
 
Supa - talent is a side-issue. I don't know if you remember where Henry played in Juve (left wing IIRC) and he wasn't exactly that good. It took Wenger and an Arsenal that played for him to truly make him great. The fact that he can now play on the left for Barca is in large part due to Wenger bringing the best out Henry. Pep's hardnosed style helped him gel... but that talent could have gone the way of Babel had it not found an outlet in time.

My 2c...
 
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THe coach makes a LOAD of difference look how PEP had to dig barca outta the toilets due to Frank Raaikjard's reign of Terror? Everyone was saying Henry is past his prime he can't perform as he use to at Arsenal and all that jazz...
 
In other words Pep gave Ferguson a lesson
lol in your dreams... fergie decided to give Barca a chance and play a different style of game, he gambled and lost. Good game no 11 players parked behind the ball.

If united won by doing the same as last year what would have happened?

Ferdinand is happy to postpone the debrief that must follow as Sir Alex Ferguson works out why United were so badly outplayed.

Poor tactics are being blamed in some quarters, although the argument is difficult to fathom given United set up in exactly the same way as when they defeated FC Porto and Arsenal earlier in the competition.

Ferdinand has no in-depth answers to add. However, his gut feeling was that too many players made too many errors at the wrong time against talented opponents well capable of taking advantage.

''To play a team like Barcelona you need your A game. We didn't have it,'' he said. ''We did well in those first 10 minutes. If we had scored then it might have been a different game.

''But we gave away two soft goals at crucial points in the game and didn't put away the chances we had. In a Champions League final, if you do not play well, either as individuals or a collective unit, you do not deserve to win.''
 
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lol in your dreams... fergie decided to give Barca a chance and play a different style of game, he gambled and lost. Good game no 11 players parked behind the ball.

If united won by doing the same as last year what would have happened?

You can only try to park the bus over 2 legs, knowing you will have a home game and maybe you may get a lucky early goal (like last year).

Ferguson had no choice but to try to take barca on, neutral ground and all he had was 90mins.His counter attack stategy wouldnt have worked as to do that you actually need to have the ball, barca's mid-field dont give you that option.

ferguson talking about xavi and iniesta:
"I don't think they have ever given the ball away in their lives".
 
Ferguson had no choice but to try to take barca on, neutral ground and all he had was 90mins.His counter attack stategy wouldnt have worked as to do that you actually need to have the ball, barca's mid-field dont give you that option.
ye but you don't look at it this way... park the bus 120min later penalty shootout... for a team desperate to win what do you do?

Perrsonally if my job was to win at all cost! I wouldn't even dare going in with 4-3-3 if I could I'd go with 4-5-1 and shut Barca out hoping for a quick counter

But then again, anderson was poor, giggs was poor and park was poor. the entire team gave the ball away way too easily.

United will try again next season!
 
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thats what united supporters dont understand, they were not "poor" they could not compete, Barca forced them to play like that.Manu were out-classed and this scoreline could have been much higher had it been a full barca squad on the pitch.

Bayern,lyon,real madrid etc were not "poor" they were out-classed, 104 goals barca scored this season was not against "poor" teams/players, it was because they were the better team.

Manu just joined the list of other teams this season that are unable to cope with the barca attack.

So stop using this "poor" BS as an excuse thats as good as they will perform against barca this season.
 
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thats what united supporters dont understand, they were not "poor" they could not compete, Barca forced them to play like that.Manu were out-classed and this scoreline could have been much higher had it been a full barca squad on the pitch.

Bayern,lyon,real madrid etc were not "poor" they were out-classed, 104 goals barca scored this season was not against "poor" teams/players, it was because they were the better team.

Manu just joined the list of other teams this season that are unable to cope with the barca attack.

So stop using this "poor" BS as an excuse thats as good as they will perform against barca this season.

^^^^^^^^^
100% good post
 
thats what united supporters dont understand, they were not "poor" they could not compete, Barca forced them to play like that.Manu were out-classed and this scoreline could have been much higher had it been a full barca squad on the pitch.
poor? players played poorly is not a excuse... they were *** on the night!

and what's this bs about full squad? who was out Marquez, Alvez, Abidal... 3 defenders... had those three been playing so would Puyol played on the right? would Puyol had given united such a hard time?

Barca did NOT have a weak squad from a attacking perspective they did not win by 4 they won by 2...

It's like saying Chelsea should have won their match by 4 - 1...
 
Puyol is not a right back. If you think he gave you a hard time, imagine if Dani Alves was playing.

Geez, Puyol would have made the centre of defence alot more solid. Then the midfield would have Yaya, and he really would have made it difficult for United.

We played a 20 year old in that position. At the end of the day, if United think they played poor, they must remember that a full strength Barca will really make them look like amateurs.
 
We played a 20 year old in that position. At the end of the day, if United think they played poor, they must remember that a full strength Barca will really make them look like amateurs.
You kept saying with Barca their second string is still scoring as freely as the first choice XI... now you changing your tune saying the team was understrengthed...

What more do you want? Barca to score 200 goals at the end of the season? Barca to whip every team 5/6 - 0?

United feked up! They went in there with the wrong strategy and got beaten... they conceeded two easy goals, Eto side stepped Vidic like he wasn't there. Ferdinand didn't pick up Messi - Cross from Xavi was awesome.

Once the first goal went in United became deflated. Happens. They will try harder next season, hopefully they won't go in with the strategy to win games by 1-0.

Lets see Barca keep up the momemtum next season.
 
You kept saying with Barca their second string is still scoring as freely as the first choice XI... now you changing your tune saying the team was understrengthed...

What more do you want? Barca to score 200 goals at the end of the season? Barca to whip every team 5/6 - 0?

United feked up! They went in there with the wrong strategy and got beaten... they conceeded two easy goals, Eto side stepped Vidic like he wasn't there. Ferdinand didn't pick up Messi - Cross from Xavi was awesome.

Once the first goal went in United became deflated. Happens. They will try harder next season, hopefully they won't go in with the strategy to win games by 1-0.

Lets see Barca keep up the momemtum next season.

Playing a 20 year old in a Champions League final and playing players out of position is very very very different to doing it in the league.

In all honesty, i could really see a 4 -0 scoreline had Barca played Yaya in the midfield and Alves/Abidal back. They just bring so much to the team.
 
If Barca are the best team in the world then why didn't they finish better? Surely if they're so good they would've taken all their opportunities and would've won 6-0 then?
 
ya a full Barca team would have got 4-0 i think.Pyol almost scored twice and he was out of position, the last thing manu would have wanted is alves running at them in that position.
 
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