Solar Power Thread

So DDP is then better I suppose? Wonder if they would still ship to your address. At those prices I must say it's tempting. The local pricing is just so much more.

One would need to calculate the actual R/W when shipping and insurance is included though. But it might still work out cheaper.

By this definition it sounds like they would be responsible for all shipping and costs? Doesn't make much sense to me since it seems too cheap if shipping would be included then.

Last I looked, their battery pricing was competitive (at least compared to my costs), and the solar pricing was about 30-40% more expensive compared to my own costs. They're quite competitive for SA pricing though (although I haven't really looked too hard at .za pricing).
 
Last I looked, their battery pricing was competitive (at least compared to my costs), and the solar pricing was about 30-40% more expensive compared to my own costs. They're quite competitive for SA pricing though (although I haven't really looked too hard at .za pricing).

What I like about them is that they have a warehouse in Durban so at least you do not have to worry about the shipping part from overseas. They are very competitive in S.A avg. pricing here seems to be R11.97/W!

But as I said I'm still trying to figure out what sort of extra expenses there might be.
 
Is there no definitive guide somewhere on how to start switching over to solar. A step by step up to a point where you can get of the grid completely. I would love to go Solar but have on idea what step 1 will be ,I suppose geyser?
 
Is there no definitive guide somewhere on how to start switching over to solar. A step by step up to a point where you can get of the grid completely. I would love to go Solar but have on idea what step 1 will be ,I suppose geyser?


Everything I've read indicates that step 1 is to reduce your current usage by being more energy efficient like converting your geyser to solar, changing all incandescent lights to LED/CFL, cooking with gas, etc. You get more ROI by reducing your consumption than going solar.
 
This is true. But there's a balance, too.

Electrical energy powers modern civilisation and our lifestyles. More of it is needed, not less. Sure we can get more efficient. But we don't want to become obsessive about it. I went for a higher-end system precisely because I want to minimise the impact of intermittent/unreliable energy on my living. Our lives are already so stressed, who wants to run around worrying about whether the fridge door is open for another 20 seconds (as a ridiculous example)?

Everyone has different means and needs. For me at my stage of life it's worth putting in another R50K or R100K into a capable system that frees me from worrying about wattage on light bulbs.
 
Just a stupid question but since this is the solar thread maybe someone can help. Currently I have a geyser timer, it only runs min 2 times a day, 3am and 3pm since no one is at home during the day. Would moving onto a solar geyser be a good idea?
 
Agree with you. There does come a point where the effort to be more efficient is not worth it. For bigger items like geyser and cooking however its a no brainer.

From what I've read, people who are on solar do however generally use less electricity than their counterparts who are on the grid only as the habits of being efficient becomes ingrained and second nature in a way.
 
Not to push my own blog at least 5 bazillion times in this thread alone, but I do go over the step 1 is to reduce your current usage a number of times!

Plug -> http://goingsolar.co.za
Worth a read if you are thinking about solar in .za, as I talk about my own install and thoughts behind it, plus other stuff thats related.
 
Exactly, signates. Nicely put.

In most households, making hot water and cooking require the most electrons in the wire. Get that more efficient but in a non-disruptive way if possible. I went for a heat pump for daily hot water, rather than pure thermal solar - mainly because it works on overcast days, night or day, winter or summer, at about a third of the electrons required to heat a metal coil.

Gas for cooking, of course. Even though it's about the same price as electricity, sometimes even more expensive. But at least it's available at my instance rather than someone else's.

Then the heavier domestic labour-saving machines: laundry, dishwashing mainly.

Then cooling systems. Like fridge. For regular summer house cooling I went for two Oz-style evaporative coolers, which work very well in the Little Karoo. Their only power draw is for the fan. No compressor. They use water, though.

For heating in winter I've recently installed two new-tech inverter-based aircon systems - mainly to replace the high-consumption oil-element heaters which really chow power. Their inverter switches AC to DC so the DC compressor can run with lower draw, saving energy. And I have a Scan DSA-7 wood-burning fireplace in the lounge.

Pool and irrigation pumps also require power, of course. If you're starting out new, get low-energy/efficient ones. If not, it's probably better to put the price diffs into more panels and inverter.
 
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@ Arthur and others

ok so I've done the basics:

ceiling insulation

uPVC frames & double glassed windows

gas stove

gas heater

AA fridge freezer

AA washer machine

AA tumble dry with condenser

AA dishwasher

now the biggest consumer of electricity is the pool pump - 1.1kw runs for 6hrs a day with solar heater.

how can I get the pool pump completely OFF the grid? while still using it daily?

batteries?
PV panels?
 
I also have a pool pump running the same way as yours. I decided to incorporate the demand of the pool pump into my total KWh calculations. Works out cheaper this way instead of a dedicated pool pump solution.

I'm going with 4.6kw inverter and 5kw solar array with no battery backup for now. Will add a 6kw generator for backup. I have no one at home during the day so the pool pump will work on my solar if Eskom goes down during the day and there is enough sun.
 
@ Arthur and others

ok so I've done the basics:

ceiling insulation

uPVC frames & double glassed windows

gas stove

gas heater

AA fridge freezer

AA washer machine

AA tumble dry with condenser

AA dishwasher

now the biggest consumer of electricity is the pool pump - 1.1kw runs for 6hrs a day with solar heater.

how can I get the pool pump completely OFF the grid? while still using it daily?

batteries?
PV panels?

/Subscribes.

Anyone using a Solar Chlorinator?
 
@ Arthur and others

now the biggest consumer of electricity is the pool pump - 1.1kw runs for 6hrs a day with solar heater.

how can I get the pool pump completely OFF the grid? while still using it daily?

batteries?
PV panels?
That's a serious investment in lower-energy appliances. Impressed.

I'm afraid I don't know the current state and price of PV-powered pool pumps. As signates plans, my pool pump and irrigation run off the man house PV system. No special provision. It's a 1.1kW motor.

Last time I checked, LE pool pump + solar PV kits were pretty expensive.
 
Looking at the weather today, it's easy to see why solar is an option in sunny SA. Living in the Helderberg in CT, there is also an abundance of wind.

Anyone here consider wind as an additional source combined with solar. I was thinking along the lines of a 1kw to 2kw VAWT. I wouldn't consider wind as primary though.
 
For solar pool pump: http://powtran.en.alibaba.com/produ..._MPPT_PV_solar_inverter_3_phase_0_4_11KW.html

Only problem is it needs quite a high input voltage since it is only step down conversion. I would run it on a dedicated PV array and ideally convert your pool pump to 3 phase, since it would then be able to do better speed control (otherwise there is also a single phase version). I have a PI9100 for other purposes, and it works very well.
 
Should the size of the solar panel, battery , inverter match?

Reason for my question... I want to experiment with solar energy, firstly for lightning(loadshedding), and maybe charging a laptop, phone, etc.

Say I buy a 651 car battery (always use it for my car again) with a 60w solar panel
4 x 5w led bulbs
400w inverter (I already have this)
Will a setup like this work?

The other option is to buy a ready set up kit for +- R1800
 
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That's a serious investment in lower-energy appliances. Impressed.

I'm afraid I don't know the current state and price of PV-powered pool pumps. As signates plans, my pool pump and irrigation run off the man house PV system. No special provision. It's a 1.1kW motor.

Last time I checked, LE pool pump + solar PV kits were pretty expensive.
Yes if I add up the cost of all those changes and up grades it comes to approximately R90k. The biggest portion being the windows at R45k

Ridiculous amount of money to save a mere R200 > R300 a month, but I just hate eskum / cANCer with a passion and I also need to look into the future when I retire I want to be rid of eskum completely.
 
I also have a pool pump running the same way as yours. I decided to incorporate the demand of the pool pump into my total KWh calculations. Works out cheaper this way instead of a dedicated pool pump solution.

I'm going with 4.6kw inverter and 5kw solar array with no battery backup for now. Will add a 6kw generator for backup. I have no one at home during the day so the pool pump will work on my solar if Eskom goes down during the day and there is enough sun.
Interesting.. Didn't know you could run a pump directly off solar panels without batteries
 
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