Someone I know stole money

Sounds like a pretty messy situation for her.

I'm no lawyer, but I think the time frame and planning to ensure it goes unnoticed is not going to count in her favor one bit.
 
xeslaro said:
I assume her husband is a suspect/arrested? Do they have children?

I've seen sanctions swing wildly for fraud/theft related incidences - the factual situation of the crime + personal circumstances in each case is considered in sentencing. Facts don't look good for her.
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No, as far as I understand he's not a suspect.

However, I also commented that if I were him I'd turn myself in, no way in hell would 1.4bar just appear in your bank account and you don't know where its coming from.

They have two kids, although one finished school a year or two ago. The younger one is still in school.
 
YingYang said:
No, as far as I understand he's not a suspect.

However, I also commented that if I were him I'd turn myself in, no way in hell would 1.4bar just appear in your bank account and you don't know where its coming from.

They have two kids, although one finished school a year or two ago. The younger one is still in school.
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did they spend the whole 1.4mil? that's a lot of rescue money. what kind of business was it that his losses were that big?
 
If she was transferring the money to her husband, then he is an "accomplice" as it were...

She may get charged with the theft, but he will get dragged into it at some point.
 
DJ... said:
This is more than just theft is it not? This is fraud and theft, depending on how she covered her tracks with respect to the theft.

I cannot see her coming out of this with a wrist-slap. Some relatively serious jail-time is likely...
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Gross theft does not fraud make.
 
akescpt said:
did they spend the whole 1.4mil? that's a lot of rescue money. what kind of business was it that his losses were that big?
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These days R1.4 million is peanuts. Staff salaries online for micro businesses can easily touch R100K pm, then you have your rent, electricity, admin fees, vehicle running costs (petrol), etc

Very easy for a collapsing business to burn through cash.
 
YingYang said:
No, as far as I understand he's not a suspect.

However, I also commented that if I were him I'd turn myself in, no way in hell would 1.4bar just appear in your bank account and you don't know where its coming from.

They have two kids, although one finished school a year or two ago. The younger one is still in school.
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Poor kids. The husband will most certainly get dragged into it. From the scant details, I foresee he will be charged as a co-perpetrator.

There are fundamental legal principles guiding sentencing, but it's difficult to speculate the outcome, it's case per case depending on all the circumstances. It is quite possible she may face 15yrs - of course this is highly speculative. I take it she's charged with many counts of fraud and/or theft?
 
I wonder if her husband new she was doing this?
If he didn't then this is also pretty thoughtless on the part of his wife.
She didn't seem to factor in the ruined lives of her kids, husband and herself.
 
Electric said:
I wonder if her husband new she was doing this?
If he didn't then this is also pretty thoughtless on the part of his wife.
She didn't seem to factor in the ruined lives of her kids, husband and herself.
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would he not have noticed the extra cash available for his business? or wondered where it came from.
 
Sure, I'm not debating that.
But imagine 1 deposit came through, even 1 would make him a suspect.
 
akescpt said:
did they spend the whole 1.4mil? that's a lot of rescue money. what kind of business was it that his losses were that big?
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Fibre, his business was laying fibre from point a to b.
 
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YingYang said:
Fibre, his business was laying fiber from point a to b.
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wow. I thought that was one of the emerging businesses with the internet going big. and at one stage they were laying fibre everywhere. hopefully they limited their losses just to the business and not their personal stuff. but this is going to get a lot worse I think.
 
I'm sorry, I dont have much sympathy for them.

Never, ever, ever interfere in your spouses business - ESPECIALLY if you are stealing to do so. If the business will fail without your employer's money, then let it fail. It is far better. I speak from experience as an entrepreneur. He has a full time job anyway, so its not like he had no other choice if money was an issue. Doing what she did just makes it look like greed to me - he could get a regular job, but stood to make millions if his business worked out.

And he should also serve time - he accepted money knowing it was stolen. He is not innocent either.
 
YingYang said:
Fibre, his business was laying fiber from point a to b.
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It doesn't help his case that the industry is known for being corrupt. The best that they can do is plea guilty and try to get a lesser sentence. In all likelyhood he would also get a sentence, because he used the money.
 
akescpt said:
would he not have noticed the extra cash available for his business? or wondered where it came from.
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if his business is going down, it's quite possible that he is not particularly good at the finance side of things. so, yes.

i probably wouldn't notice for a month or two if a million bucks appeared in my bank account...
 
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