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[Seeyou]

^^ This!

It's a no-brainer!

Offered in 10mb/20mb/40mb iterations at a price of R379/R438/R556, it's a competitor killer...

Let's not forget that a 10mb bolt-on is being sold at R59!! INSANE!!!

+10000

Glad I got the bolt-on while it was still available on Gig4Gig - ridiculous value for money at R59/month. Only way it could possibly get better is if the 10mbps throttle were raised or removed. (we can dream) And the only way you could possibly top that would be to allow bolt-on to be added to the Fatpipe 100GB specials to cut out the evening time account musical chairs. That said, even if it doesn't happen, that's a small price to pay for the awesomeness of the current offering.

@chris - one note on future specials - if you could ensure that it was possible to switch from an existing account to a future special, that would be great. I actually signed up for 100GB Fatpipe about 3 days prior to the special going live, and no matter how much I asked, was not allowed to just "convert" what was essentially the same account to the special, so I had to cancel the existing account and then sign up for a new one on special. I now have multiple 100GB special fatpipe accounts and the gig4gig bolt on accounts, so if I had to go through the same annoying process for a new special now, it would be a supreme PITA

 

[MartyMarts]

Question - this bolt-on mentioned, it's "uncapped" from 6pm to 6am and your data usage during that period doesn't come off cap, yes? But then aren't you going through some sort of shaping during that period as well? Surely can't be un-Shaped (like the fat-pipe is supposed to be!) for 12 hours a day?

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Stolen from another thread:

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Bolt-on is basically uncapped internet, unshaped on every protocol, after hours but that being 6pm-6am weekdays and all weekend, so in effect 108 hours out of a 168 hour week...

I just somehow can't believe that?

 

[Orihalcon]

Question - this bolt-on mentioned, it's "uncapped" from 6pm to 6am and your data usage during that period doesn't come off cap, yes? But then aren't you going through some sort of shaping during that period as well? Surely can't be un-Shaped (like the fat-pipe is supposed to be!) for 12 hours a day?

EDIT:

Stolen from another thread:



I just somehow can't believe that?

Shaping does get applied if needed.

It's just that it has never been needed so far. Bolt-On itself is a shaped service.

So if enough people start using it, it will be shaped. Fat Pipe will take priority then. I think this is why they stopped bundling it.

 

[sybertiger]

well all i can say is,VOX upgrade your capacity now,everone will jump ship to VOX and after 2months your net work will feel the impact

seen this happen to alot of isp's

 

[MartyMarts]

Shaping does get applied if needed.

It's just that it has never been needed so far. Bolt-On itself is a shaped service.

So if enough people start using it, it will be shaped. Fat Pipe will take priority then. I think this is why they stopped bundling it.

At the prices mentioned above it seems like something so open to abuse. Can't see it working out well for either Vox or the end user.

 

[Orihalcon]

At the prices mentioned above it seems like something so open to abuse. Can't see it working out well for either Vox or the end user.

Exactly.

This product was very hush hush. Hell VoX itself was very hush hush offering a great product that catered to all it's users perfectly.

This special has thrown them smack bam into the spotlight and you can bet your bottom dollar people are taking note and jumping over to them...I just hope they are ready to handle the influx.

 

[sand_man]

Yeah. As a VOX customer I would be panicking now... If it weren't for the fact that VOX had just recently doubled their capacity to take advantage of telkoms new ipc offers. They paying 15% more for double the capacity. Do the math gents.

 

[Orihalcon]

Well their planning team better be on bloody point with all these specials then.

 

[furpile]

The bolt-on and the new 25GB bolt-on are both shaped services, so their performance is not the same as the fat pipe accounts. Even so, it still performs really well.

 

[MartyMarts]

Signed up for 2 of the 100GB specials which I'll be using from next month. Not panicking at all - from previous experience, the fat pipe rocks and with the price drop, a no-brainer move. I was referring more to bringing bolt-on at low prices into the equation as mentioned in quite a few posts in this thread - seems like something that comes with a whole set of headaches and permutations ...for Vox.

Although... if they [somehow] do get this right ...I wouldn't want to be the other ISPs trying to compete!

 

[MartyMarts]

Here's my suggestion (if shaping applies to the bolt-on product): 100GB fat pipe + bolt-on at a fixed price per line-speed where the user themselves can choose the hours of the bolt-on i.e. Personally I want pure (unshaped) internet when I actually use it i.e. evenings and weekends so I'll happily pay for capped there and let me bolt-on a tainted (shaped) service for business hours and Vox shape it accordingly?

 

[sand_man]

true, will think about it

problem is when something goes wrong as it always does its just easier to troubleshoot one account than multiple but i see what you saying it shouldnt be a dealbreaker - that said i am lazy and like things easy

Not often that anything goes wrong with VOX! Having said that, if anything is going to break it will probably be now, now that every myBB forumite and his dog is contemplating VOX....

The bolt-on is no longer sold as is, and you need to take it with the 25GB for R150 as far as I know.

Yeah but the cost associated is still R59 IE 25 gig4gig (R89) + bolt-on (R59) = R148

Question - this bolt-on mentioned, it's "uncapped" from 6pm to 6am and your data usage during that period doesn't come off cap, yes? But then aren't you going through some sort of shaping during that period as well? Surely can't be un-Shaped (like the fat-pipe is supposed to be!) for 12 hours a day?

EDIT:

Stolen from another thread:



I just somehow can't believe that?

Nor could I. This bolt-on has been around for over 3 years. I've seen it mentioned on this forum many times before but considered it gimmicky and unsustainable and never bothered with it! I suspect that's been the case for many people! Guess what? It's neither!!

well all i can say is,VOX upgrade your capacity now,everone will jump ship to VOX and after 2months your net work will feel the impact

seen this happen to alot of isp's

Agreed!!! Your concern and just about every forumite on here who has or is already contemplating or signed up with VOX.

At the prices mentioned above it seems like something so open to abuse. Can't see it working out well for either Vox or the end user.

Bolt-on has been going for over 3 years. I can't believe it was ever better than it is now seeing as now it is near perfect.

This was bolt-on yesterday evening running torrents on a 20mb line (note rate limited to 10mb)...

 

[DrJohnZoidberg]

I get you but the VOX equivalent of 12am-6am/7am is bolt-on and it is far better!

It wouldn't make sense to introduce another after hours category.

Just offer bolt-on at different speeds and bundled with fatpipe, period.

When you have bolt-on after 6pm and all weekend, the average home user, who is working 8am-4pm/5pm and is home all weekend only needs around 20gb's 'off peak'.

A heavy user could get away with 100gb's off peak, quite easily!!

Do the math!! Bolt-on is in effect 108 hours out of a 168 hour week!! It's a no-brainer!! PERIOD!!!!

The question is does VOX make money out of bolt-on? And if it were so widely adopted by high end, high speed users, to what detriment of the over all network?

VOX100 10mb = 100gig 'off peak' + bolt-on @ R379 (bundled with line R729)
VOX100 20mb = 100gig 'off peak' + bolt-on @ R438 (bundled with line R838)
VOX100 40mb = 100gig 'off peak' + bolt-on @ R556 (bundled with line R860)

I simply don't see how VOX could offer this and still remain in business, but if they could they would put 90% of their competitors out of business, PERIOD!!!

BOTTOMLINE GENTLEMEN: BOLT-ON is the silver bullet/golden goose/blue eyed boy.... call it whatever you like. In its current state it outperforms just about every other capped/uncapped/business/platinum/premium/blah blah blah account I've used in the last 2 years!!

Don't over complicate things!! Don't fall into the OW trap (and every other ISP's too) of offering 15 different variations of capped/uncapped accounts. Keep it simple, keep it real, make sure the product does what it says on the box! Get that right and you might as well fire your marketing department! They not needed. Product sells itself!

The question remains!!! Should there be a mass adoption of bolt-on what net effect on the network and, by extension, on the product?? We've seen it happen to just about every ISP in the SA telecoms market! High adoption rates = over saturation of said network = degradation of service/network = plethora of disgruntled, disillusioned and alienated users!!!

The problem is bolt on is active during peak times. It's obviously the reason they limited the old bolt-ons to 10Mbps, and even then it obviously didn't work out as they've stopped it.

They either need to drastically increase the price of the bolt-on or move the times out of peak. I'm not willing to pay for the premium for 40Mbps uncapped during peak, so the midnight to 7am thing would work much better for me.

 

[cvanwie]

Although... if they [somehow] do get this right ...I wouldn't want to be the other ISPs trying to compete!

We have pretty graphs, warning systems, and heads up displays about what our network is running at; I have a window open to it at the moment!

Product, technical, and networking teams are always talking about what <new> product may do to our network. We understand new customers and trends of churn, we know the timing of network upgrades, and before we launch anything, these elements are all considered, mapped out, BI run against existing data, and then ... the birth of a new product.

We aren't sitting here with blinders on, aimlessly throwing products into the market and hoping for the best. =)

 

[Ianf1]

Allow 2 concurrent connections on your 100gig package.

 

[cvanwie]

Bolt-on has been going for over 3 years. I can't believe it was ever better than it is now seeing as now it is near perfect.

I'm also a customer of the Bolt On, it is exactly what I needed and was fun building it back in the day. At the time I thought "woohoo a free account" nope, I also pay R59/pm

"Near perfect" ?? What's wrong with it?

 

[Orihalcon]

I'm also a customer of the Bolt On, it is exactly what I needed and was fun building it back in the day. At the time I thought "woohoo a free account" nope, I also pay R59/pm

"Near perfect" ?? What's wrong with it?

It's limited to 10mb

Jokes aside I have zero problems with it. Let's me stream at 1080p with ease. Love it!

 

[cvanwie]

It's limited to 10mb

Jokes aside I have zero problems with it. Let's me stream at 1080p with ease. Love it!

Glad to hear it! Imagine it with a 40Mbps VDSL connection ... I'm only getting 6Mbps from my 10Mbps line. <insert streaming site here> works perfectly well! =)

 

[Orihalcon]

Glad to hear it! Imagine it with a 40Mbps VDSL connection ... I'm only getting 6Mbps from my 10Mbps line. <insert streaming site here> works perfectly well! =)

40mb fibre...get on my level

But honestly. Amazing products.

Keep it at this level.

 

[MartyMarts]

We have pretty graphs, warning systems, and heads up displays about what our network is running at; I have a window open to it at the moment!

Product, technical, and networking teams are always talking about what <new> product may do to our network. We understand new customers and trends of churn, we know the timing of network upgrades, and before we launch anything, these elements are all considered, mapped out, BI run against existing data, and then ... the birth of a new product.

So you're saying you will get the fat-pipe + bolt-on thing right ...because you have pretty graphs and will discuss stuff with your team first?

We aren't sitting here with blinders on, aimlessly throwing products into the market and hoping for the best. =)

Thanks for the confirmation.