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lemme get this straight:

M$'s OSes are notoriously unstable and unreliable. Now they release this ... thing ... that lets you run other OSes on top of theirs !??!

No wonder it's free
 
It's cause people use VMWare. If the product is free they can destroy VMWare and buy them over, thereby opening the door for a takeover.
 
masticore said:
lemme get this straight:

M$'s OSes are notoriously unstable and unreliable. Now they release this ... thing ... that lets you run other OSes on top of theirs !??!

No wonder it's free
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O!!! I must be mistaken. I live in a world where Microsoft has the market cornered. Must be quite different from yours. As a developer you ignore Microsoft at your peril. You might not like it but that is reality. We all yearn for the day that Linux rules the roost but until then ......well good luck to you.

I was going to go into a tirade about snide remarks when people post what to them would be usefull info but I dont have the time nor the inclination. More and more people sit on this forum only to whine about and post sarcastic comments about topics they actually have no bloody idea about. I was hoping to get somebody's comment about how productive and possibly usefull this product could be.

Never mind.
 
Myrrdin said:
... I was hoping to get somebody's comment about how productive and possibly usefull this product could be.

Never mind.
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You won't get that from me :D
Despite the shortcomings of M$, I still use them - but I limit my exposure by creating products built on PHP and mySQL, where possible.

Anyway, having said that, I am a fan of VMWare - being using them for a while now - both on Windows running windows OS's and on Windows running Linux Os's (and, in one partiular case, on Linux running XP - though that was too slow to be useful).

All in all, I would like to see MS's product, and will download it (always nice to be able to run my [fell off a truck, could be full of virii] software in a nice safe box!
 
Myrrdin said:
O!!! I must be mistaken. I live in a world where Microsoft has the market cornered. Must be quite different from yours. As a developer you ignore Microsoft at your peril. You might not like it but that is reality. We all yearn for the day that Linux rules the roost but until then ......well good luck to you.

I was going to go into a tirade about snide remarks when people post what to them would be usefull info but I dont have the time nor the inclination. More and more people sit on this forum only to whine about and post sarcastic comments about topics they actually have no bloody idea about. I was hoping to get somebody's comment about how productive and possibly usefull this product could be.

Never mind.
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aw, shame. You didn't get the response you wanted and now you wanna have a whiny little bitching rant. Well, rant away - this is a public forum :D

Myrrdin said:
... but I dont have the time ...
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Why not ? Too busy installing M$ service packs, then the updates, then the hotfixes, then the 3rd party hacks to unfunk the screw-ups the hotfixes caused ?
 
I read somewhere that Virtual Server 2005 R2 at best takes third place. Cannot find the link now, but the reported felt that both VMWare and that shareware one were a lot better.
 
gkm said:
I read somewhere that Virtual Server 2005 R2 at best takes third place. Cannot find the link now, but the reported felt that both VMWare and that shareware one were a lot better.
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Possibly here (there's a white paper link) or here ?

/update : white paper link needs login info :(
 
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I am pretty sure the article I read was on Tomshardware in the last couple of days, but I cannot find it now. Sigh.
 
/me jumps right into the hottub.

So I read all about this vmware when it was released, and even did some googling on virtual machines yada yada.
Found loads of install guides and guides which just add more stuff to your installed vmware machine, to maximise the hardware of the machines as I gathered.

Vmware sounds very interesting.
But there are loads of questions that remained unanswered to me. Maybe someone has some practical answers.
Why would you want to use vmware (other than testing a system or app) if you have to normally spend huge amount of cash on gigs of memory?
What are the pratical everyday uses of such a machine ? (Other than constantly hotswapping applications and installing test sofware.)

Any enlightment would be great.
 
It is very nice if you develop a piece of software and want to test in on say Windows 2003, XP, 2000, Me, 98 and Linux X, Y and Z without having to buy 8 machines or reinstall 8 times.

Or you can create a whole environment consisting of a couple of machines to practice setting up for example a Windows domain etc, all on a single machine, without messing with your existing company network.

Or you can have a couple of copies of an application that expects to have a whole machine for themselves, all run on the same single faster machine. For example, the company has five 486 machines running something and consolidates it into one fancy new machine running five operating system partitions.
 
GKM has it. I use it primarily to

1) Test my app on different platforms (esp win98 which is still used)
2) Deploy web sites, without needing to deploy to our main server
 
ah, shot guys.
Those practical examples make it a lot clearer for me :)
I like the idea of setting up a network enviroment for testing and not touching the live production network of a company.

thanks ;)
 
ant101 said:
ah, shot guys.
Those practical examples make it a lot clearer for me :)
I like the idea of setting up a network enviroment for testing and not touching the live production network of a company.

thanks ;)
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One word of advice. When you have installed the OS and it is working nicely, CLONE IT! Nothing kills your day faster than installing a bad piece of software and then needing to spend an hour or two re-installing the OS.

EDIT: that is also a nice feature of VMWare. You can install something, test it, "restore" the OS from a clone, make some changes, reinstall etc.
We all know that an install can fail completely if the target PC happened to have an old DLL and the test server a newer one etc.
 
Has anyone installed this build of Virtual Server? The install keeps failing with a registry permission error (on XP SP2). I'm going to try it on SBS 2003 later.
 
Andre said:
Has anyone installed this build of Virtual Server? The install keeps failing with a registry permission error (on XP SP2). I'm going to try it on SBS 2003 later.
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Are you really surprised? I "upgraded" my NET2003 to NET2005. After which, NOTHING in the NET environment worked again. Registry corrupt, framework poked, IIS stuffed. Rule #1 - never upgrade windows.

Simply dumped NET and went to PHP and mySQL.
 
masticore said:
lemme get this straight:

M$'s OSes are notoriously unstable and unreliable. Now they release this ... thing ... that lets you run other OSes on top of theirs !??!

No wonder it's free
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It is so unstable and crap that NCR is using it on their new generation of ATM products but then what do they know as the number 1 supplier of ATM's worldwide compared to you :D.
 
Moederloos said:
Are you really surprised? I "upgraded" my NET2003 to NET2005. After which, NOTHING in the NET environment worked again. Registry corrupt, framework poked, IIS stuffed. Rule #1 - never upgrade windows.

Simply dumped NET and went to PHP and mySQL.
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Why on earth would you want to upgrade? They run perfectly well side-by-side. Besides, VS2005 is optimised for .Net 2.0, so you'd still need VS2003 to maintain existing projects still running on .Net 1.x...
 
Raithlin said:
Why on earth would you want to upgrade? They run perfectly well side-by-side. Besides, VS2005 is optimised for .Net 2.0, so you'd still need VS2003 to maintain existing projects still running on .Net 1.x...
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Simple really. I installed 2005 alongside 2003. Neither worked at that point. I uninstalled BOTH, and re-installed 2005. 2005 did not work. Uninstalled 2005, reinstalled 2003 - 2003 does not work.
:mad:
 
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