ALL sessions, regardless of who is speaking, are for what the eff were doing... They calmly stood up, and were recognised to speak. Just cos someone said its not what the session was for, doesn't mean the laws don't apply. And thats the point, just cos JZ was speaking, they threw out the laws. Seeing as they willing to do that, we're all in serious trouble, which is the point the DA was making with SANDF
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SONA 2015
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ALL sessions, regardless of who is speaking, are for what the eff were doing... They calmly stood up, and were recognised to speak. Just cos someone said its not what the session was for, doesn't mean the laws don't apply. And thats the point, just cos JZ was speaking, they threw out the laws. Seeing as they willing to do that, we're all in serious trouble, which is the point the DA was making with SANDF
LazyLion
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SONA DESCENDS INTO VIOLENCE
Protest and violence overshadowed President Jacob Zuma's state-of-the-nation address on Thursday night as the Economic Freedom Fighters carried out a threat to confront him on misspending on his Nkandla home and were manhandled by police in the National Assembly.
As riot police dragged EFF MPs out of the chamber and down the corridor, the Democratic Alliance walked out and accused the ANC of becoming as oppressive as the apartheid regime.
It left Zuma to announce a R23 billion bailout to crisis-ridden Eskom and an expected ban on foreign land ownership while most attention focused on the EFF leadership, who detailed their injuries and denounced his government on the steps of the assembly.
"Whether they beat us or not, we'll continue to ask relevant questions," Malema told reporters in drizzling rain, the T-shirt under his red overall torn at the neck.
"We have seen that we are part of a police state where when people are unable to give political answers, political solutions to political problems, they resort to security apparatus and we've always said the ANC has sent South African into a security state, so today it was confirmed."
Fifteen minutes earlier punches and hard hats flew as police surrounded the EFF benches after Malema, Chief Whip Floyd Shivambu and spokesman Mbuyiseni Ndlozi defied orders from Speaker Baleka Mbete to leave the chamber.
"The grabbed (Godrich) Gardee first, they hit him," Western Cape EFF leader Bernard Joseph said moments after the brawl in which he took several blows as well, while his colleague Emmanuel Mtuleni said he was punched in the face.
"They moered me."
The trouble began soon after Zuma took to the podium as Gardee rose on a point of order, demanding: "May we ask the president when he will pay back the money in terms of what the public protector had said?"
Mbete allowed questions from Shivambu and then a belligerent Malema, who made it plain that he would not rest until Zuma had answered the question the EFF first put to him on August 21.
She told him to leave and then invoked the Powers and Privileges Act, first calling in protection staff and then security officials. Moments later police surrounded the EFF benches, and fighting began in an echo of the chaos of November 13 -- the first time in history that riot police had entered the chamber.
Ndlozi, who said he was briefly throttled, said he believed the EFF had managed to deliver the comment it wanted about Zuma's leadership while Shivambu commented: "Next time we will come armed."
In the meanwhile, Zuma focused on energy and land redistribution as key priorities while warning that country's aim of achieving a growth target of five percent in 2019 where at risk.
He said stabilising Eskom's finances was a priority and acknowledged that the supply disruptions "are an impediment to economic growth, and are a major inconvenience to everyone in the country".
Zuma said government had a nine-point plan to "ignite growth and create jobs".
This also included revitalising agriculture, advancing the beneficiation of minerals and encouraging private sector investment. Calling land a critical factor in achieving redress for the wrongs of the past, he said foreigners would soon no longer be allowed to own land in South Africa but instead be eligible for long-term lease.
"In this regard, the Regulation of Land Holdings Bill will be submitted to Parliament this year," he said to applause from the ANC benches.
The new legislation would overhaul the tenets of redistribution and introduce a ceiling of land ownership of a maximum of 12,000 hectares.
"Once implemented the law will stop the reliance on the willing buyer-willing seller method in respect of land acquisition by the state."
Before Zuma resumed his speech after the EFF's removal, National Council of Provinces chairwoman Thandi Modise justified the presiding officers' decision to eject the EFF by force.
"We are also empowered... to ask for security -- whichever security -- to act... I think we should allow this house to do its business," Modise said.
This prompted the Democratic Alliance to walk out, with Chief Whip John Steenhuisen telling Sapa: "I think the EFF was wrong but two wrongs don't make a right.
"We had to walk out, it is not acceptable that the ruling party violates the Constitution and the separation of powers by sending police, which fall under the orders of the executive, into the National Assembly.
"This government is adopting the tactics of oppression against which so many of them spent their lives fighting."
Earlier, Steenhuisen and DA leader Mmusi Maimane beat the EFF to raising a point of order when they rose to accuse Parliament of scrambling the cell phone reception in the assembly, preventing journalists from broadcasting directly from the chamber.
Mbete said she would ask her office to inquire about the blackout, which had seen journalists wave their cellphones in the air before the joint sitting began, chanting "bring back the signal".
Ndlozi seconded the demand and asked that the Speaker also call orderlies to bring MPs water, quipping that Parliament was facing a "service delivery crisis".
Minutes later, Mbete announced that "the scrambling problem has been unscrambled" and cellphone feed was restored.
Source : Sapa /ef/lp
Date : 12 Feb 2015 22:51
Protest and violence overshadowed President Jacob Zuma's state-of-the-nation address on Thursday night as the Economic Freedom Fighters carried out a threat to confront him on misspending on his Nkandla home and were manhandled by police in the National Assembly.
As riot police dragged EFF MPs out of the chamber and down the corridor, the Democratic Alliance walked out and accused the ANC of becoming as oppressive as the apartheid regime.
It left Zuma to announce a R23 billion bailout to crisis-ridden Eskom and an expected ban on foreign land ownership while most attention focused on the EFF leadership, who detailed their injuries and denounced his government on the steps of the assembly.
"Whether they beat us or not, we'll continue to ask relevant questions," Malema told reporters in drizzling rain, the T-shirt under his red overall torn at the neck.
"We have seen that we are part of a police state where when people are unable to give political answers, political solutions to political problems, they resort to security apparatus and we've always said the ANC has sent South African into a security state, so today it was confirmed."
Fifteen minutes earlier punches and hard hats flew as police surrounded the EFF benches after Malema, Chief Whip Floyd Shivambu and spokesman Mbuyiseni Ndlozi defied orders from Speaker Baleka Mbete to leave the chamber.
"The grabbed (Godrich) Gardee first, they hit him," Western Cape EFF leader Bernard Joseph said moments after the brawl in which he took several blows as well, while his colleague Emmanuel Mtuleni said he was punched in the face.
"They moered me."
The trouble began soon after Zuma took to the podium as Gardee rose on a point of order, demanding: "May we ask the president when he will pay back the money in terms of what the public protector had said?"
Mbete allowed questions from Shivambu and then a belligerent Malema, who made it plain that he would not rest until Zuma had answered the question the EFF first put to him on August 21.
She told him to leave and then invoked the Powers and Privileges Act, first calling in protection staff and then security officials. Moments later police surrounded the EFF benches, and fighting began in an echo of the chaos of November 13 -- the first time in history that riot police had entered the chamber.
Ndlozi, who said he was briefly throttled, said he believed the EFF had managed to deliver the comment it wanted about Zuma's leadership while Shivambu commented: "Next time we will come armed."
In the meanwhile, Zuma focused on energy and land redistribution as key priorities while warning that country's aim of achieving a growth target of five percent in 2019 where at risk.
He said stabilising Eskom's finances was a priority and acknowledged that the supply disruptions "are an impediment to economic growth, and are a major inconvenience to everyone in the country".
Zuma said government had a nine-point plan to "ignite growth and create jobs".
This also included revitalising agriculture, advancing the beneficiation of minerals and encouraging private sector investment. Calling land a critical factor in achieving redress for the wrongs of the past, he said foreigners would soon no longer be allowed to own land in South Africa but instead be eligible for long-term lease.
"In this regard, the Regulation of Land Holdings Bill will be submitted to Parliament this year," he said to applause from the ANC benches.
The new legislation would overhaul the tenets of redistribution and introduce a ceiling of land ownership of a maximum of 12,000 hectares.
"Once implemented the law will stop the reliance on the willing buyer-willing seller method in respect of land acquisition by the state."
Before Zuma resumed his speech after the EFF's removal, National Council of Provinces chairwoman Thandi Modise justified the presiding officers' decision to eject the EFF by force.
"We are also empowered... to ask for security -- whichever security -- to act... I think we should allow this house to do its business," Modise said.
This prompted the Democratic Alliance to walk out, with Chief Whip John Steenhuisen telling Sapa: "I think the EFF was wrong but two wrongs don't make a right.
"We had to walk out, it is not acceptable that the ruling party violates the Constitution and the separation of powers by sending police, which fall under the orders of the executive, into the National Assembly.
"This government is adopting the tactics of oppression against which so many of them spent their lives fighting."
Earlier, Steenhuisen and DA leader Mmusi Maimane beat the EFF to raising a point of order when they rose to accuse Parliament of scrambling the cell phone reception in the assembly, preventing journalists from broadcasting directly from the chamber.
Mbete said she would ask her office to inquire about the blackout, which had seen journalists wave their cellphones in the air before the joint sitting began, chanting "bring back the signal".
Ndlozi seconded the demand and asked that the Speaker also call orderlies to bring MPs water, quipping that Parliament was facing a "service delivery crisis".
Minutes later, Mbete announced that "the scrambling problem has been unscrambled" and cellphone feed was restored.
Source : Sapa /ef/lp
Date : 12 Feb 2015 22:51
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
PARLY SHOULD TAKE STRONG ACTION AGAINST EFF: RADEBE
Parliament should take stern action against members of the Economic Freedom Fighters who disrupted President Jacob Zuma's state-of-the-nation address, Minister in the Presidency Jeff Radebe said on Thursday night.
"Such behaviour and conduct cannot and must not be tolerated and we urge Parliament to apply the rules and take stern action against those members," Radebe said at a media briefing held shortly after Zuma ended his speech.
"The government of the Republic of South Africa is deeply disappointed and disgusted at the despicable conduct of some elected public representatives who are hell-bent on holding our democratic institutions, the electorate and our country at ransom."
The National Assembly descended into chaos and violence when EFF MPs refused to leave the chamber when National Assembly Speaker Baleka Mbete order them to.
Mbete ordered the legislature's protection officers to enter the chamber, adding "the security forces must come in in terms of the powers and privileges act".
The security officers clashed with the EFF MPs who tried to stand their ground.
EFF leader Julius Malema was one of the last to be dragged out of the House after fist fights broke out between party members and the security officers.
Radebe said the actions of Malema and his MPs were aimed at rendering Parliament ungovernable.
"The events that unfolded before our eyes...were aimed at bringing our hard-earned democracy into serious disrepute," he said.
"People of this great land died for this great democracy. Their actions... dishonour the lives of those who paid the ultimate sacrifice."
Source : Sapa /cp/lp
Date : 12 Feb 2015 22:53
Parliament should take stern action against members of the Economic Freedom Fighters who disrupted President Jacob Zuma's state-of-the-nation address, Minister in the Presidency Jeff Radebe said on Thursday night.
"Such behaviour and conduct cannot and must not be tolerated and we urge Parliament to apply the rules and take stern action against those members," Radebe said at a media briefing held shortly after Zuma ended his speech.
"The government of the Republic of South Africa is deeply disappointed and disgusted at the despicable conduct of some elected public representatives who are hell-bent on holding our democratic institutions, the electorate and our country at ransom."
The National Assembly descended into chaos and violence when EFF MPs refused to leave the chamber when National Assembly Speaker Baleka Mbete order them to.
Mbete ordered the legislature's protection officers to enter the chamber, adding "the security forces must come in in terms of the powers and privileges act".
The security officers clashed with the EFF MPs who tried to stand their ground.
EFF leader Julius Malema was one of the last to be dragged out of the House after fist fights broke out between party members and the security officers.
Radebe said the actions of Malema and his MPs were aimed at rendering Parliament ungovernable.
"The events that unfolded before our eyes...were aimed at bringing our hard-earned democracy into serious disrepute," he said.
"People of this great land died for this great democracy. Their actions... dishonour the lives of those who paid the ultimate sacrifice."
Source : Sapa /cp/lp
Date : 12 Feb 2015 22:53
Space_Chief
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I heard that only procedural questions could be raised at this session. And not questions about Nkandla. Secondly the speaker could shut up offending MPs if they are irrelevant or causing a disturbance.
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Not with the police she can't.
Fulcrum29
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That's my point, how can any opposition party wait to win the election under these conditions, truly a circus. I could hear a lady shout amandla when the EFF was removed.
Security blocking journalists as well.
Also, they tried to censor as much information as they could with their live news feed. When the action started the camera stayed on the speaker the whole time.
Not long ago that got you labeled a racist afro-pessimist....
The Voice
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All sounds pretty NP government to me. Is history about to repeat itself?
moreover, not without the support of the House. The Speaker serves the House rather than is the boss of the house
Nerfherder
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Interested to see what kind of video comes out tomorrow as there were people filming everything in their phones.
Yep, but you don't know a question until its asked. They were one by one recognised and spoke, listened to response and sat down. By 3rd/4th person she assumed all were asking the same so she decided to toss the rule book out the window. Which is what Malemas point was, she can't read his mind, and, she needed to treat them as individuals, not a group. Speaker can remove the disturbance if necessary, in this case it was(imo she caused it, she should have kept cool and gone through them one by one by the rule book), regardless, she can't use SAPS
LazyLion
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The ANC of Mandela fought to get ALL South Africans represented in Parliament.
The ANC of Zuma is fighting to get some people of South Africa's representatives removed from Parliament.
The ANC of Zuma is fighting to get some people of South Africa's representatives removed from Parliament.
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CapeTalk had some constitutional wonk the other day and he himself wasn't sure what the ANC could and couldn't do in this case. It was some Law Faculty professor from UCT, if I recall.
LazyLion
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wouldn't surprise me if it was Richard Calland
the ANC can't and shouldn't do anything it isn't an ANC issue.
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This is the main thing I try to impart to anyone who asks me to explain the SONA issue. The ANC is a bunch of sore losers. They won't let go of power willingly.
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Sorry Paul, it was more like what the house speaker could or couldn't do. He called it "opening a big can of worms".