SONA 2015

on a technical matter, did the da ask about the jamming as a point of order?
 
if it was Richard Calland I wouldn't pay any head to the opinion frankly

If it was Pierre de Vos I'd be interested but not particularly persuaded until authorities are cited.
The law is - and always has been - clear on the principle of the inviolability of the House and that the Speaker may not use force to subdue members of the House when the Assembly is sitting. If - as has happened in this country - somebody is stabbed to death in the Assembly it is necessary to adjourn and then call the police
 
MickeyD said:
Yes, before the Prez even started...
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ah good. so if the speaker already addressed a point of order, it gives the anc little scope to defend why they sought to shut down another point of order.
 
milomak said:
on a technical matter, did the da ask about the jamming as a point of order?
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yes a PoO was taken [:D]

the EFF used parliamentary privilege to demand to know when the President will pay back the money and this lead to PoOs being taken on the right to ask such a question
 
Glock26 said:
Is he f***ing mad?
Pathetic piece of %^$#.
I can only hope he actually tries that...and that they shoot him dead.

G26
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Well he has the right to do it since the speaker removed him using illegal means...
 
milomak said:
ah good. so if the speaker already addressed a point of order, it gives the anc little scope to defend why they sought to shut down another point of order.
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The DA whip and the DA leader both raised it as a point of order (or was it privilege?).
 
The jamming issue was raised as a point of order before business of the House could commence - I don't think the Order Paper had even been read yet [and it really is difficult to get business going without having read the comic sans printed Order Paper]; the EFF challenged Zuma personally by raising a Parliamentary privilege to obtain an answer to an already posed question from the person appearing at Parliament

Had the ANC cared about the Rules a member would have stood to render a Point of Order to the EFF's exercise and insisted that the House determine whether the privilege sought to be exercised was proper

The Privilege exercise could not be summarily rejected by the Speaker
 
milomak said:
ah good. so if the speaker already addressed a point of order, it gives the anc little scope to defend why they sought to shut down another point of order.
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except that they didn't shut up a PoO but rather removed members privileges in the House without the Assembly giving approval
 
Paul Hjul said:
if it was Richard Calland I wouldn't pay any head to the opinion frankly

If it was Pierre de Vos I'd be interested but not particularly persuaded until authorities are cited.
The law is - and always has been - clear on the principle of the inviolability of the House and that the Speaker may not use force to subdue members of the House when the Assembly is sitting. If - as has happened in this country - somebody is stabbed to death in the Assembly it is necessary to adjourn and then call the police
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It was de Vos.
 
EFT, cash or E wallet?
[video=youtube;KVbJr5kTD8o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVbJr5kTD8o[/video]
 
Space_Chief said:
It was de Vos.
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take a lookey at his bloggy: http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/
it has a fairly extensive discussion on the rules issue from about 2 days ago

the problem is that de Vos has not addressed the issue at hand here which is the use of force to compel the wishes of the Speaker while the House is sitting. Take a look at De Lille cited by de Vos. That is what is at issue here. Assuming the EFF were disrupting the House etc ... nothing in any line of argument supports the Speaker using police force to enforce her will. As the presiding officer she could have sought an interdict on the basis of the EFFs threats - and then charged them with contempt thereafter - or she could subject them to Parliament's disciplinary process.

The situation is more apposite to the question of a teacher calling in somebody to cane school children.

-- de Vos also did not concieve of the EFF using the privilege question doctrine to force the Speaker into holding pattern
 
Well after reading most of the comments on new24...there seems to be a few things that people are having issues with. Firstly everyone agrees that the jamming was wrong that there should be consequences for those responsible. Secondly I noticed most thought the EFF's disruption was wrong and that raising the question may have been acceptable, the chaos that followed after was unnecessary. I personally think the speaker once again lost control of parliament and handled the situation in the wrong manner.

The DA walking out left many split. Some thought that it was them turning their back on their voters with others thinking it put them in the same light as the EFF. I hold the opinion that it was a very bold statement that showed the DA would not put up with parliament in its current state and that the multiple violations of the constitution on the SONA of all times was a gross showing of lack of respect that the ruling party has for the constitution.

Some say the ANC won this round and many uneducated ANC supporters may feel the same but the lack of any acknowledgement to the situation that happened there tonight was a very cowardly move. The removing of an opposition party by force with chants of "go" "go" from after the DA threatened to walk out in the name of upholding the constitution was a blatant sign of arrogances and cockiness that will be the ANC's undoing in the end.
 
Dude with the butterfly on his head looks like he simply does not give a f anymore...

Eskom being forced to go to gas...wth...hardly the time for additional artificially constraints.

As for the rest...eish.
 
After reading the comments, i see you people around here are the clever people boozuma refers to and he doesn't like you all at all :p

You are too clever for him
 
So, speaker will take the fall on this one (if at all), anc put in a new puppet speaker.

Nothing changes?
 
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