SONA 2015

Kosmik said:
Not his fault, superiors orders.
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Sinbad said:
Either identify the order givers, or take responsibility.
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d7e7r7 said:
Chapter 11 of our Constitution says:
199 (6) No member of any security service may obey a manifestly illegal order.
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Boasts

Prins reportedly boasted on his Facebook page about the "hunt for Juju [Malema]".

Speaking to Netwerk24, Prins said the Facebook posts were just jokes he shared with colleagues, and now these are being used against him.

He added that everybody was angry with him - from his colleagues to his wife and children - and that his life has been turned upside down. He has not left his house as he fears for his life.

He also denied assaulting any EFF members, but photographs show him grappling with Malema and Floyd Shivambu.
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If he is fired it could be for bringing the force into disrepute?
Silly really to post stuff like that on FB then complain about consequences. Seems like there's more to this story, that said, it probably all escalated pretty quickly. Bottom line is heads should roll further up the chain IMO.
 
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Speaking to Netwerk24, Prins said the Facebook posts were just jokes he shared with colleagues, and now these are being used against him.
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This is why people shouldn't do things like that.

A joke on FB is a joke for the world.
 
d7e7r7 said:
Cop deployed to State of the Nation fears losing job - http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Cop-deployed-to-State-of-the-Nation-fears-losing-job-20150216
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cry me a river...-was so proud of being part of the operation to tackle Julius and Co, and trample on our Constitution...and now that we know who you are, and your bravado on Facebook is open to everyone to review...-now you fear for you job? Thought your handlers would protect you?, they just fuelling up the bus, they going to be throwing you under...-
 
d7e7r7 said:
Chapter 11 of our Constitution says:
199 (6) No member of any security service may obey a manifestly illegal order.
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which is really a defensive clause if somebody disobeys an illegal order
not seeing a basis upon which to fire him and if he reveals superior orders

It isn't being fired that these guys (and by the footage girls - we really did have a rainbow thug force) should be concerned about but rather criminal prosecution. Now is the time for members involved to start setting out affidavits as to what went down and who ordered them to do what
 
yebocan said:
cry me a river...-was so proud of being part of the operation to tackle Julius and Co, and trample on our Constitution...and now that we know who you are, and your bravado on Facebook is open to everyone to review...-now you fear for you job? Thought your handlers would protect you?, they just fuelling up the bus, they going to be throwing you under...-
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there isn't a rational basis - at this time - to conclude that he had any intention other than to do what he believed was superior orders

I don't think it is really apt to hold bravado among the troops as nefarious in and of itself
 
Paul Hjul said:
there isn't a rational basis - at this time - to conclude that he had any intention other than to do what he believed was superior orders

I don't think it is really apt to hold bravado among the troops as nefarious in and of itself
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He really should have kept it out of his Facebook profile though. That wasn't clever.
 
Arietans said:
He really should have kept it out of his Facebook profile though. That wasn't clever.
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he really should have tried to be civil and escort the MPs out with the respect they deserved. In fact, he should've had the knowledge to know he wasn't allowed in Parliament to start with and disobeyed the order.

Instead he went in there knowing full well he is going to treat the MPs harsher than what is needed. Just another douchebag cop with klein-mannetjie syndrome.
 
Arietans said:
He really should have kept it out of his Facebook profile though. That wasn't clever.
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we don't require armed forces to be rocket scientists though

ultimately I am of the suspicion - but it isn't a rational basis - that this particular individual is from a clan of manne mentality of policing and fits into the scope of Ralph in Lord of the Flies type bully, which are far too often given authority in societies and that such a mentality also explains his running off and playing the victim

We must however assume the best as to the individuals - presume incompetence rather than evil - and have an approach that recognizes a broad array of possibilities for motives and so on. Police and what not disciplinary processes are likely to be a white wash, a judicial commission of inquiry is not going to happen so long as Zuma and Mbete are in play and so hauling these individuals off to appear in front of a magistrate to reveal who issued orders is the best way to remind the Ralph's among them that they are not too far off from a prison cell while affording a necessary educational function for the incompetents who were blindly following orders.
 
MBEKI REMARKS WERE 'DISTORTED'

A report in the British newspaper, The Guardian, distorted remarks made by former president Thabo Mbeki on what transpired at last week's state-of-the-nation address, his office said on Monday.

"The article, headlined 'Thabo Mbeki slams Jacob Zuma over brawl in South Africa parliament' is a (mis) interpretation of what was said and amounts to a deliberate distortion," Mbeki's spokesman Mukoni Rat****anga said in a statement.

"Mr [David] Smith does not make it clear to his readers that what he says is former president Mbeki's 'belief' and 'view' is in fact his own narrow interpretation of a broad analysis about the root cause of the incident that took place during the state-of-the-nation address."

He said a full video of the question and answer session with students at the Thabo Mbeki Institute for African Leadership at the University of SA, where the comments were reportedly made on Friday, was available on YouTube.

The Guardian reported that Mbeki believed that his successor, President Jacob Zuma, was wrong to not answer the Economic Freedom Fighters' question about the R256 million security upgrades to his private home at Nkandla, in KwaZulu-Natal.

"In Mbeki's view, Zuma should have directly answered when asked by opposition MPs when he will repay millions in public funds spent on security upgrades at his private homestead, the Guardian has been told," Smith wrote in his article.

"He thinks it would have been the easiest way to deal with the issue."

Three EFF MPs, including party leader Julius Malema, were told to leave the House after they persisted in trying to question Zuma about misspending on his home after he started delivering his state-of-the-nation address on Thursday.

Security officers were called in to remove EFF MPs from the National Assembly.

The Democratic Alliance walked out shortly afterwards in protest against the security officers' presence in the National Assembly Chamber.

Zuma then resumed his speech.

Mbeki was quoted as saying: "My reading of the problem is the problem is political, and you don't use administrative instruments to resolve a political problem.... If the problem is political you're not going to change it by quoting a rule. You've got to confront the political problem.

"Let's not say, ‘You're out of order, you can't ask that'," he said in what appeared to be a swipe at Speaker Baleka Mbete, who called for the removals.

Defending his story on Sunday, Smith wrote on the social networking site, Twitter: "I asked Mbeki if Zuma should have answered. He replied: "I think so. Don't quote me but that was the easiest way to have dealt with it."

Rat****anga said on Monday that a full transcript of what Mbeki had said would be made available on Tuesday.

"Tomorrow, we will release a full transcript of the relevant part of the interaction for the public to make up its mind about Mr Smith's invention."


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Date : 16 Feb 2015 13:38
 
Garyvdh said:
MBEKI REMARKS WERE 'DISTORTED'

"Mr [David] Smith does not make it clear to his readers that what he says is former president Mbeki's 'belief' and 'view' is in fact his own narrow interpretation of a broad analysis about the root cause of the incident that took place during the state-of-the-nation address."

Rat****anga said on Monday that a full transcript of what Mbeki had said would be made available on Tuesday.

"Tomorrow, we will release a full transcript of the relevant part of the interaction for the public to make up its mind about Mr Smith's invention."
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These Western journos distort everything about Africa. But The Guardian is the best of the lot, one of my favourite and most accurate papers ther which actually gives a damn so I'm sure we can all find a solution.

Form this starting point - Defending his story on Sunday, Smith wrote on the social networking site, Twitter: "I asked Mbeki if Zuma should have answered. He replied: "I think so. Don't quote me but that was the easiest way to have dealt with it." I'm sure we can agree to say Smith won't be getting any more interviews from Mbeki, and leave it at that shall we. No need "transcripts" which exclude expressly off-the-record stuff.
 
PARLY OPENING MINUTES TO BE CORRECTED: MODISE

The parliamentary minutes of the legislature's chaotic opening last week will be revised to include events that were omitted, National Council of Provinces Chairwoman Thandi Modise said on Tuesday.

She did so after opposition MPs complained, ahead of the debate on President Jacob Zuma's state-of-the-nation address, that the minutes had been sanitised.

"I want to give you the assurance... by the next sitting the minutes will be put in the manner in which they are usually put," Modise told the first joint sitting since the address.

The minutes reportedly omitted the use of police to remove all Economic Freedom Fighters MPs from the National Assembly, the blocking of cellphone reception in the Chamber, and the walkout by the Democratic Alliance.

Freedom Front Plus whip Corne Mulder told Modise: "All I ask is that the minutes be rectified."

Modise said she was aware of the issue, before promising to have it rectified.


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Date : 17 Feb 2015 14:53
 
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