Sony LED - thoughts ?

[Dolby]

quality when you are comparing a superior vs inferior tech. Fact.

... don't worry PP

It's almost gone. We're down to only two manufacturers and rumour has it by year end, there'll be one.

 

[Keeper]

... don't worry PP

It's almost gone. We're down to only two manufacturers and rumour has it by year end, there'll be one.

I Googled "Plasma vs LED"

First Result:

If you want the best image quality, in both 2D and 3D, and aren’t bothered about the electricity cost, a plasma could be the way to go. It’s also a good choice if you – for some reason – can’t sit directly in front of your TV, thanks to the wide viewing angles.

If running costs, thinness and brightness are more important, an LED TV will appeal.

Second Result:

At this point, you have two choices: buy an LED-lit LCD screen or get a plasma. CCFLs might still be available, but you can get a solid budget LED screen in the same price range, so there's no longer any real reason to consider them. Plasma screens are becoming more rare, but for the best picture they're the best choice on one condition: You have the money to spend on a high-end plasma screen. If you can spend $3,000 on an HDTV, a high-end plasma will offer the best picture you can get, but otherwise LED is your best option.

Third Result:
No Conclusion, but you can read the pro's & cons here

Fourth Result:
Comparison here
Plasma wins on Black Level, Contrast Ratio, Motion Blur, Refresh Rate, Viewing angle and Uniformity.
LED wins with brightness & power consumption.

Fifth Result:

LEDs, while basically the same thing as LCDs, are the biggest sellers. Their picture quality are less good than plasmas but good enough for the most people.

Sixth Result:

There is no doubt that Plasma wins here. Even a cheap Plasma will beat the best LED TVs in term of picture quality. Plasma televisions have a wider viewing angle, deeper blacks and no motion blur. The only point where LED beats Plasma in this category is for the brightness of the screen.

Seventh Result:

The Bottom Line

So which type of TV should you go with? It depends on a few different factors, but if you’re looking for the best picture at the lowest price, definitely go with a plasma TV. Plasma sets cost roughly as much as your typical CCFL-backlit LCD TV, but offer a picture that’s on par with or better than some of the best, most expensive LED TV’s on the market.

Need any more?

 

[Dolby]

Oh I'm not going through this again ...

The initial post was a specific set and whether it was decent. I don't care about plasma, seriously. The debate then got to a quality vs quantity (regardless of technology) and I gave you my thoughts on it.

Personally, I don't go for the biggest screen possible at the price

 

[Keeper]

The Samsung PS60F5500 will have Size AND Quality over your 50" LED TV.
Yes its thicker and uses more power, and yes the LED might be brighter - but for quality you are unfortunately wrong.

But if you're happy paying 20K for a smaller screen with a shlt viewing angle and poor refresh rates, contrast, black levels, motion blur & uniformity, be my guest.
At least you will save a few bucks on electricity.

 

[Dolby]

I'm interested to hear your take on this :

You have two different technologies - A and B.

A is the more expensive, horrible looking technology
B is a cheap and fantastic technology - far better than anything anyone has seen yet.

Logic says A won't even sell a unit and B will wipe up the market. But something happens ... and people starting buying A. Sales accelerate and people start selling B to get A. Eventually B is rendered obsolete and everyone lives happily ever after with B.

Why is this?
Why would that happen?

 

[Dolby]

Oh - read these.

You'll notice that the plasma doesn't quite wipe the floor in everything. The sections it does (black levels and motion) are closer than you think or like to believe.

http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/plasma/samsung/f5500
http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd-led/samsung/fh6030

The areas where the plasma fails, it fails badly ... I mean the brightness issue that you like to downplay and pretty bad. If I remember, they said it was actually the worst TV ever tested in that specific area ...

Conclusion is that one is not better than other - and they suite different people

 

[Dolby]

Plasma is awesome, and so is LED - you won't be disappointment with any of them ... Choose what you need and don't trash the other tech whether it be LED/LCD or Plasma ... Plasma, LED...bleh, who cares - you will be happy with both

But if you're happy paying 20K for a smaller screen with a shlt viewing angle and poor refresh rates, contrast, black levels, motion blur & uniformity, be my guest.

You certainly did do a full 180 though ...

 

[Keeper]

You'll certainly be happy with the 46"/50" LED.
But put the 60" Plasma next to it and then tell me the LED/LCD is better. Tell me the 50" is better than the 60".

The crappy viewing angles and refresh rates/etc/etc are also not trash talk, it's just facts.


But like I said, if you still believe LED/LCD is the one to go for, for image quality, then be my guest - go buy it already. Your mind is clearly made up so why are we even debating it?

Edit: Oh and PS, LED sells more because they are pushing it - they make more money on it and it's cheaper to make, too.

 

[Dolby]

I did actually compare the two when I traded my plasma screen - and I feel I made the right choice.

When it comes to replacing then once again, I will be choosing an LED. A 120hz panel has hardly any issue with refresh rates, as you saw in the review I posted above. If you're honest with yourself, you'll admit that black levels are very close and hardly distinguishable.

However - I'd take those two low points so that I don't have a dull and dim TV set that I battle to watch. I also have no desire for IR which actually still does effect plasma. Yes - one can use Pixel Peeper Washer Rotate Mk II every few days, watch the modes you run it on, be weary with what logo is displaying - but who really wants to do that?

As for salesman - what area do you live in?

I'm a little more aware. If a salesman tells me that a Fiesta is better than a Ferrari, I don't *really* believe him ... there are some things that logic helps with. I mean, I have eyes and a brain for a reason ... tough to believe you believe a salesman 'pushing' something will persuade 90% to buy the wrong product.

 

[PostmanPot]

...you'll admit that black levels are very close and hardly distinguishable.

You haven't a clue what you're talking about. We've already been through this...

But carry on, you're a hoot!

 

[Dolby]

Which site can I show you?

You've rejected every site that remotely hints that you're wrong I think the Internet is running out of sites for you.

How about DisplayMate?
Would you believe them?

DisplayMate is the Industry Standard of Excellence for Image and Picture Quality
Over 200 computer and video publications in 70 countries use DisplayMate for testing and evaluating video hardware.

Or once again does your advice overule?

 

[Dolby]

http://www.displaymate.com/LCD_Response_Time_ShootOut.htm

Just like Plasmas, this was a significant problem for LCDs many years ago, and we’ll demonstrate that it too is no longer an issue now

Motion blur proved to be a non-issue for live video in all of the mid to high-end LCDs in our tests

Could you finally just realise that's it now 2014? You're hanging on to this dying technology since the late 2000s which is - admittedly a little sad. Time to move forward. I don't want you being the little old man holding onto his 'Betamax' ... I'm just trying to help :/

 

[PostmanPot]

 

[Dolby]

In summary ...

Black Levels on average are around 0.010 levels apart. Hardly ground breaking difference ...
Motion Blur is pretty much non existent nowadays ...

We've done this for years and I've shown you many, many times that you are - in fact - wrong. If I back this up with tests, reviews or write ups and they happen to disagree with you, then they're bias and pushing LCD/LED

If average people see a difference, it's the shop light ... or the source ... or the mode ... or or or

If proper equipment pick up differences in favour, they're not calibrated.

 

[Dolby]

You've just disproved DisplayMate!

 

[PostmanPot]

You've just disproved DisplayMate!

Once again you fail at understanding peak measurements vs real world measurements.

Let's make this easy. Do you see a difference in the above pics, yes or no?

 

[Dolby]

I've just fired off an email to tell them you've disapproved their testing methods :/

I'll forward it to you if you want?

 

[PostmanPot]

I've just fired off an email to tell them you've disapproved their testing methods :/

I'll forward it to you if you want?

While you play the fool, just consider the effect of that white cross increasing and increasing in size, and the result of the black.

The one technology, which uses a backlight(s) for all areas of the screen.

Vs the other, which has each pixel self-lit, each which can turn on or off.

 

[DTBA]

Dolby +1 for the sony and the motion sensors for power saving mode works well, ours will shutdown after 15 min if you are not watching tv and will comeback on if you walk into the room I love it

 

[Dolby]

Impressive - I didn't even know about those!

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