Springboks as a political tool.

airborne said:
I wonder if @lexity smokes a shtload of weed, it would explain a lot.
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I'm not sure why he would bring up the Springboks anyway. They clearly believe in working as a team (better together), and are quite diverse in terms of race and background too. So all the things that are supposedly a recipe for terrible failure, but despite that they're the best team in the world.

Their success is the opposite of what he preaches.
 
vigras rojara said:
I'm not sure why he would bring up the Springboks anyway. They clearly believe in working as a team (better together), and are quite diverse in terms of race and background too. So all the things that are supposedly a recipe for terrible failure, but despite that they're the best team in the world.

Their success is the opposite of what he preaches.
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Their success is in spite of all the rainbow project propaganda, not because of it.
 
vigras rojara said:
What changes would need to happen for them to do better?
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If the bleeding hearts get swept up in woke political campaigns it will begin to create resentment between the predominantly conservative Afrikaner make-up of the Springboks, and the bleeding hearts.

There's a fine line between enough interference and too much, though.

The gains to be had for the Epstein class with the added life-support to the Rainbow Project courtesy of a 3rd WC victory is significant. They won't want to push it so hard that it wrecks their chances.
 
lexity said:
If the bleeding hearts get swept up in woke political campaigns it will begin to create resentment between the predominantly conservative Afrikaner make-up of the Springboks, and the bleeding hearts.

There's a fine line between enough interference and too much, though.

The gains to be had for the Epstein class with the added life-support to the Rainbow Project courtesy of a 3rd WC victory is significant. They won't want to push it so hard that it wrecks their chances.
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Ok, I'll let Rassie know - hopefully he is mindful of the Epstein class when making his team selections and will avoid bleeding hearts and wokeness.🤔

It seems that you actually do believe that the team is too diverse. Do you think they'd do better if they dropped Siya, Ox, Cheslin, Arendse, Willemse etc?

There is absolutely no evidence of resentment amongst "conservative Afrikaners" in the team. The fact that they do as well as they do is partly down to how well they get on as a player group.
 
lexity said:
Yes.... as I say, in spite of the Rainbow propaganda.

That is to their credit.
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So you'd drop players like Ox. Sounds sensible.

Let's put you in charge of Springbok rugby.

The next "Greatest Rivalry" tour could be the All Blacks vs the All Whites.
 
lexity said:
He's not speaking out against violence.

He's speaking out against male violence only.... and specifically against women... not against children in general and not against men.

Do you hear him calling out women for committing violence against their unborn children?

Please.....don't tell me it's not a political campaign.
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I thought he was speaking out against gender based violence?

Why are men automatically the exclusive perpetrators? Did he say that or have you assumed that?
 
lexity said:
Another Collectivist slogan to reign in the middle-class...... 'together we can beat cancer'.

D'you guys realise they stopped looking for a cure for cancer about 15 years ago?
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Is "they" the voices in your head?
 
porchrat said:
I thought he was speaking out against gender based violence?
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Why would you even bother using the term 'gender-based,' unless you were trying to distract from violence per se?

I'll tell you.... it's because the State has an horrendous track-record of committing violence against its fellow citizens.

porchrat said:
Why are men automatically the exclusive perpetrators?
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Is the point I'm making.

porchrat said:
Did he say that or have you assumed that?
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Every media reporter and targeted celeb uses that term - itself a neutral term - to refer to violence against women/girls exclusively.

Who uses it to refer to violence including that committed by women?

Watch any MS news report over the last couple of days..

I see they are now, as of the last day by the looks of things attaching an 'F' to GBV.

Kolisi specifically calling for males to speak out.

See video in post#1.
 
lexity said:
The implication of that is if you are black you can't be opposed to Critical Theory.

Isn't that a bit racist, vigras?
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There is no such implication - just voices in your head.

Perhaps one day when you finally get around to founding your homeland, you can show the Springboks how it's done with your drone squad. Although libertarians trying to organise a rugby team would be like something out of Monty Python. You'd also need a population of at least 15 people, which may be challenging.
 
lexity said:
Why bring up race, then?

I didn't bring it up...
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Yes, you did. You have said that the Springboks were successful despite "woke Rainbow projects", several times in this thread, therefore implying that the team would be stronger without diversity.
 
vigras rojara said:
Yes, you did. You have said that the Springboks were successful despite "woke Rainbow projects", several times in this thread, therefore implying that the team would be stronger without diversity.
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I just assumed the racist quota system was a thing of the past.

Do you mean some bok players are still not being selected on merit alone, but on race too? (As though they aren't good enough to be selected on merit alone?)

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lexity said:
I just assumed the racist quota system was a thing of the past.

Do you mean some bok players are still not being selected on merit alone, but on race too? (As though they aren't good enough to be selected on merit alone?)

👀
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Perhaps just see what you said in post #26 and stop talking k@k.

Dankie.
 
vigras rojara said:
lexity said:
I just assumed the racist quota system was a thing of the past.

Do you mean some bok players are still not being selected on merit alone, but on race too? (As though they aren't good enough to be selected on merit alone?)

👀
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Perhaps just see what you said in post #26 and stop talking k@k.
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In #26 I said if bleeding heart boks get swept up in political campaigns e.g. GBV it could create bad vibes in the team, since the team is not one big bleeding-heart blob, which would affect performance, potentially going into the WC.

I didn't bring race into it. But if you are saying race is a part of it.... well, that is just adding to my argument.

Players should be selected on merit alone.

Don't you think so?

It sounds from what you said in #27....
[...] Do you think they'd do better if they dropped Siya, Ox, Cheslin, Arendse, Willemse etc?
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... as though you think these players are not being selected purely on merit.

What, in your view, would be the negative fallout for the Springboks, if all players were selected on merit alone?
 
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