Springboks as a political tool.

[lexity]

Your ideals always seem to run aground on the harsh shores of reality.

You have to try them to see if and how they run aground.

You speak as though they've been tried, and have failed.

So how would that work practically in any normal work environment? You apply for a job, get hired, but then decide you don't want to work with any brown people?

Correct, or white or Afrikaans/English/Xhosa.... male/female... whatever reason.

If normal people hate their co-workers, they quite and go somewhere else,

Yes. That how it would work.

yet you consider this to be some sort of human rights violation?

I do?

Where did you get that from. Quote me.

If you own your own business, you are free to discriminate by not dealing with certain businesses

Ofc, yes. It's not that way now because there are legal restrictions in place.

But it should be that way i.e. anyone should be free to decline association with anyone else.

Association is subject to consent and when you want to break it off, you fulfill your obligations, contractually, and go your separate ways.

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(I understand Muslim owned businesses do this all the time). You just miss out on incentives which try to encourage people to deal with everyone, not just their mates.

This is only true until people suffer the real world negative consequences of missing out of profit.

They usually then rethink their position, and change their attitudes.

 

[Cray]

Association is subject to consent and when you want to break it off, you fulfill your obligations, contractually, and go your separate ways.

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And in what way does South Africa currently prevent poeple you from doing that?

 

[lexity]

And in what way does South Africa currently prevent poeple you from doing that?

AA/DEI laws, like BEE, violate the requirement for consent from employers.... like Apartheid did.

There are still racial quotas that apply to businesses e.g. above a certain threshold you are not free to buy shares.... because you are the wrong race.

That is a clear violation of the right to freedom of association. Investing in a company is a form of associating with specifically your choice of business people.

 

[lexity]

Nervous laughter returns.....

 

[Cray]

AA/DEI laws, like BEE and Apartheid, violate the requirement for consent from employers.

There are still racial quotas that apply to businesses e.g. above a certain threshold you are not free to buy shares.... because you are the wrong race.

That is a clear violation of the right to freedom of association. Investing in a company is a form of associating with specifically your choice of business people.

But those business people don't want certain people to associate with them by buying their shares. That should be their right, according to you?

 

[lexity]

But those business people don't want certain people to associate with them by buying their shares. That should be their right, according to you?

No. Under BEE they are forced to sell not simply to willing buyers regardless of race.... they are forced to sell to those of a particular race... to meet the 'transformation' quotas.



Under a regime that respected equality before the law and Freedom of Association, everyone would have the same right to associate..... meaning you couldn't force someone to associate with anyone else.

Freedom of Association means the absence of coercion in association.

 

[porchrat]

It doesn't make sense why you would use the term 'gender based', unless you were singling out a particular gender, but were not candid enough to say what you mean.

Because ALL violence would be 'gender violence'.

In this case though it's violence because of their gender.

What do the stats tell us when it comes to violence against children in the womb?

Do you think the roughly 100k+(not counting illegal abortions) are included?

Considering abortions are legal no I doubt they are counted. That would be silly.

Just like 'nappies don't need changing' makes sense.

Not really no. Nappies need changing. This language makes sense. Unlike your weird nappy thing.

I don't think repeating myself about reading between the lines is going to be fruitful, in your case.

What did Orwell say about the political use of language?

Inner party apologists can be a real menace.

Ah judging by the language you're using here it seems I was right. Kolisi never actually said the perpetrators are exclusively men, nor did anyone else. This is something you've inferred. Hence it can be largely dismissed.

I'm surprised by you leaping like that without anything concrete to base it on. You're usually better than that. For shame.

 

[lexity]

Considering abortions are legal no I doubt they are counted. That would be silly.

Many instances of force are legal but not moral, and therefore illegitimate..

That's what violence is...the illegitimate use of force.

If you take an immoral act which has become law, like stealing. It doesn't suddenly become moral, when you legalize it for some of the citizens. Because that requires a 2-tier system.

If the group commits theft, as opposed to an individual, it doesn't change the nature of the act.

If a gang robs you instead of a single criminal, it's still immoral and requires a law to punish the thieves.

That is why modern political voting is a moral travesty... because it is a poll on what to do with stolen goods./wealth.

It skips past the original immoral act, and hopes you don't notice. Making it difficult to stop, because nobody wants to admit being complicit in theft.

 

[EADC]

Does anyone have an argument in favor of race-quotas in the Springbok selection policy?

 

[lexity]

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So, just to be clear, you are advocating for a quota system.

Am I right?

 

[lexity]

Cray & vigras: they were selected by merit alone.

EADC: they were selected thanks to quotas. Quotas produce the winning formula.

 

[EADC]

So, just to be clear, you are advocating for a quota system.

Am I right?

Yes Dr Rassie's quota system of producing the greatest rugby players South Africa has ever seen.

And coaching that rugby team to be the one of the greatest rugby teams ever.

 

[lexity]

EADC: Rassie may be racist, but who can argue with the results?

 

[lexity]

I agree with Cray..... there is absolutely no place for racism in sport. Abolish the quota system.

 

[lexity]

Errr, what, cray?!!!!

 

[Cray]

Errr, what, cray?!!!!

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Note, he said Dr Rassie's quota system, not a racial quota system. And you certainly can't deny the second part.

 

[Benedict A55h0le not]

This is why I stopped watching Springbok rugby in 2010. I came to the realization that it is there to pacify whites. The ANC knew very well how to manage whites - implement racists laws against whites and they will stay docile and patriotic as long as they can watch Springbok rugby. Springbok rugby was used by the ANC to end apartheid, with protests on the pitch at overseas stadiums during matches. The sorry-ass whites acted exactly like the ANC wanted them to, "just keep on cheering for your rugby team". Instead of whites doing the same as the ANC before 1994, white guilt is pacifying whites and rugby is a tool to install some dumb-ass patriotism in them. I do not understand how whites can support their countries` team while the country hates them for their skin colour. Viva Zuma! Viva grand scale state corruption! Viva BBBEEE! Go Bokke! All is well...

 

[lexity]

Note, he said Dr Rassie's quota system, not a racial quota system.

That would suggest Rassie is secretly selecting on merit.

Massive props to him, for that.

And you certainly can't deny the second part.

For sure. The best players are selected in spite of any anti-meritocratic efforts.

 

[lexity]

This is why I stopped watching Springbok rugby in 2010. I came to the realization that it is there to pacify whites. The ANC knew very well how to manage whites - implement racists laws against whites and they will stay docile and patriotic as long as they can watch Springbok rugby. Springbok rugby was used by the ANC to end apartheid, with protests on the pitch at overseas stadiums during matches. The sorry-ass whites acted exactly like the ANC wanted them to, "just keep on cheering for your rugby team". Instead of whites doing the same as the ANC before 1994, white guilt is pacifying whites and rugby is a tool to install some dumb-ass patriotism in them. I do not understand how whites can support their countries` team while the country hates them for their skin colour. Viva Zuma! Viva grand scale state corruption! Viva BBBEEE! Go Bokke! All is well...

Some valid points.

Guilt plays a major role in preventing the natural separation of obviously incompatible core values.

 

[Benedict A55h0le not]

Some valid points.

Guilt plays a major role in preventing the natural separation of obviously incompatible core values.

White guilt will be the end of whites. It is a devastating weapon that worked better than expected by those who wield it. The UK is not the UK anymore because of the instilled white guilt, as is most of Europe, as well as Canada. The USA whites are trying to save itself with Trump, but I think they are also too far gone to ever recover. What is the reason for installing this weapon of white guilt globally? The answer is simple. It is the same answer as to why the Neanderthals went extinct.