State capture inquiry begins

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https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/live-day-3-of-statecaptureinquiry-mcebisi-jonas-to-testify-20180824

"He told the commission that one of the Gupta brothers threatened to kill him should any details of the infamous meeting between him, Jonas, Duduzane Zuma (the son of former president Jacob Zuma) and businessman Fana Hlongwane ever become public."

Looks like he is still afraid to name specific brother?
He says he can't recall which it was as he doesn't know them. Not sure why he can't just identify which one on reflection. They don't look all that alike.
 

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Will they also investigate who captured Rhamadingdong? Chinese coal? American fracking companies? British financial services, Israeli mineral extraction (for their nukes) or financial services? Russian nukes?
 

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He says he can't recall which it was as he doesn't know them. Not sure why he can't just identify which one on reflection. They don't look all that alike.
Would it then not be a valid question to ask how he even knows it was a Gupta brother to begin with?
 

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Will they also investigate who captured Rhamadingdong? Chinese coal? American fracking companies? British financial services, Israeli mineral extraction (for their nukes) or financial services? Russian nukes?
Carl Niehaus would give you an Honourary MK veterans membership if he heard you say that.
 
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With all these evidence cemented, they can work their way up from different vantage points, I think that commission is going to burst very soon.
 

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Carl Niehaus would give an Honourary MK veterans membership if he heard you say that.
Who is this Carl Niehaus? Is he one of those naive dingdongs that think presidents are not likely to be captured by special interests?
 

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State capture: Vytjie Mentor expected to detail Gupta meeting

JOHANNESBURG – The state capture commission of inquiry will resume on Monday morning with former African National Congress (ANC) MP Vytjie Mentor expected to take the stand and detail how the Gupta family once offered her a ministerial post.

On Friday, the commission heard startling revelations from former deputy Finance Minister Mcebisi Jonas, including that the controversial family threatened to kill him if he revealed that they had offered him the position of finance minister.

He also told the inquiry that a senior Hawks official tried to deliberately sabotage an investigation into the Guptas' attempt to bribe him
More at : https://ewn.co.za/2018/08/27/state-capture-vytjie-mentor-expected-to-detail-gupta-meeting
 

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State capture: Vytjie Mentor expected to detail Gupta meeting



More at : https://ewn.co.za/2018/08/27/state-capture-vytjie-mentor-expected-to-detail-gupta-meeting
Mentor makes for a poor witness - good thing this isn't a court case and if things go to court I'd hope no one thinks to call her as a witness. Interesting that both her and Jonas didn't bother to learn the names of the people they interacted with. Unless the brothers simply introduce themselves as Mr. Gupta, surely it is easy to ask. In Mentor's case she even muddled up Fana's names.
 

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Why? It gives an opportunity to root out most of the Gupta rats if anything.
Because nothing will actually come of it other than tax payers' money being squandered. Just like the Life Esidimeni enquiry before this ... and the Siriti Arms deal enquiry before that ... the Donen commission into the oil for food scam with Iraq ... we could probably go on for pages and pages

“Commissions of inquiry have traditionally become places to park a hot potato until it gets cold.”
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Because nothing will actually come of it other than tax payers' money being squandered. Just like the Life Esidimeni enquiry before this ... and the Siriti Arms deal enquiry before that ... the Donen commission into the oil for food scam with Iraq ... we could probably go on for pages and pages
Spot on.
 

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https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2018-08-27-unearthing-the-truth-about-state-capture-an-easier-task-than-fixing-the-system-that-made-it-possible/

The first proper day of witness testimony at the Inquiry into State Capture provided the shocking but not surprising evidence. Mcebisi Jonas, the former deputy Minister of Finance, explained exactly what happened at the Gupta home, and the Ajay Gupta's brutish behaviour. But, perhaps more important, he also painted a picture of pressure the Treasury was under, and just how deeply its leadership had been isolated in the Zuma Cabinet. He made it even more real by presenting the way the Hawks intended to deal with the case, and how they tried to bury it. For anyone doubting what happened under former President Jacob Zuma, this picture was clear, damning and rather disheartening. What needs to be done to ensure that it is never repeated, and how our state can be better protected? There are no easy answers.
 

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Because nothing will actually come of it other than tax payers' money being squandered. Just like the Life Esidimeni enquiry before this ... and the Siriti Arms deal enquiry before that ... the Donen commission into the oil for food scam with Iraq ... we could probably go on for pages and pages
The victims of Life Esidimeni received restitution and the MEC for health resigned along with the HoD (as a result of the entire fiasco & not just the inquiry granted). The Seriti inquiry was a supposed to be a white wash and it was clear nothing would come of it when investigators and commissioners started leaving before it started.

This inquiry should at worst result in providing evidence for strengthening governance and cleaning up certain departments, SOEs, security apparatus among the first. At best there'll be actual prosecutions, but I wouldn't hold out too much hope for that given how much Zuma and his henchmen have tainted evidence and worked to stymie prosecutions.

I mean, what you guys have? Just scrap the commission and fold our arms and let the complicit individuals and institutions carry on as like they did under Zuma? The project was too complex to deal with on a case by case basis even if we had functioning investigations and prosecutions services.
 

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The victims of Life Esidimeni received restitution and the MEC for health resigned along with the HoD (as a result of the entire fiasco & not just the inquiry granted). The Seriti inquiry was a supposed to be a white wash and it was clear nothing would come of it when investigators and commissioners started leaving before it started.

This inquiry should at worst result in providing evidence for strengthening governance and cleaning up certain departments, SOEs, security apparatus among the first. At best there'll be actual prosecutions, but I wouldn't hold out too much hope for that given how much Zuma and his henchmen have tainted evidence and worked to stymie prosecutions.

I mean, what you guys have? Just scrap the commission and fold our arms and let the complicit individuals and institutions carry on as like they did under Zuma? The project was too complex to deal with on a case by case basis even if we had functioning investigations and prosecutions services.
Like I said ...cost taxpayers a fortune and nothing really happened to the people responsible
Unqualified NGO's were paid money...they haven't paid it back. A law firm linked to Qedani Mahlangu was paid millions for BS advice ...they haven't paid it back. Mahlangu herself has wiped her backside off on the inquiry findings

Stop wasting time with an inquiry and get criminal charges moving already
 
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