State capture inquiry begins

[Tman*]

Will Zuma be giving testimony again today?

I can't wait for him to spill the beans. Many forgot he was head of the intelligence arm and probably over the years continued to operate in that manner.

He has dirt on everything.

ZUMA is like a mob boss, and he aint snitching on nobody in his camp.

 

[TheChamp]

I cant help but wonder whether JZ will be required to prove his spy allegations.

To me it all seems like smoke and mirrors to try abd divert the attention from him.

Also amusing how he still uses apartheid and mysterious "third forces"... Wonder how long he spent on revising the handbook Bell potty mouth gave them.

Those who are implicated in his tales have a right to come to the commission to question him if they wish to, but Pretorius was kind enough to remind him if the terms of reference yesterday. Zuma's problem is thinking that the tactics that works in his ANC circles are going to work at this commission, he did himself more harm than good with his ramblings.

 

[TheChamp]

Can he spill the beans without implicating himself?

Selective bean spilling is a thing you know.

 

[Thor]

ZUMA is like a mob boss, and he aint snitching on nobody in his camp.

Can he spill the beans without implicating himself?

That is what I'm curious to see.

He said, I respected my comrades, maybe it's time to let that take the back seat.

^that sounds like a threat to me.

 

[TheChamp]

That is what I'm curious to see.

He said, I respected my comrades, maybe it's time to let that take the back seat.

^that sounds like a threat to me.

Correction, it sounds like one of his many threats, how about threats take a back seat?

 

[Sideshow Bob]

He has dirt on everything.

Well, he has managed to convince you of that so not bad going. Repetition works.

 

[TheChamp]

Well, he has managed to convince you of that so not bad going. Repetition works.

Zuma supporters are so gullible.

 

[ArmatageShanks]

I'll be intrigued to watch some of his bits later, hear him when I go for a cup of tea on the TV, heard him say something yesterday about a thing that might have happened but if it did he has no recollection of it, which is nonsense obviously but its fun to hear a bit of worry in his voice.

 

[ArmatageShanks]

ANC supporters are so gullible.

FTFY

 

[2026]

Imagine if you, a commoner, had been given documents in August and then come in as unprepared as he is. You'd get such a grilling for being unprepared.

 

[TheChamp]

Imagine if you, a commoner, had been given documents in August and then come in as unprepared as he is. You'd get such a grilling for being unprepared.

I did not get the resolution to that docunents impasse, what was the conclusion?

 

[AdrianH]

That is what I'm curious to see.

He said, I respected my comrades, maybe it's time to let that take the back seat.

^that sounds like a threat to me.

I hate that word ”comrade”

 

[ArmatageShanks]

I hate that word ”comrade”

 

[ToxicBunny]

I did not get the resolution to that docunents impasse, what was the conclusion?

I think the commission will deal with the specific documents later... they dealt with ones that he couldn't claim he hadn't seen...

 

[SmartKit]

Will Zuma be giving testimony again today?

I can't wait for him to spill the beans. Many forgot he was head of the intelligence arm and probably over the years continued to operate in that manner.

He has dirt on everything.

Can we charge this man with additional obstruction of justice for having knowledge about all these illegal activities but failing to report the crimes?

 

[Eniigma]

Basically he is trying hard to not purger himself. What you will find going forward is more accusations placed where Zuma has to defend himself and the longer he tries, rather they question wherein feigning memory loss makes him complicit, the greater the chance he purgers himself..

while not a full on narcissist like Trump, he will make that mistake when his facade is challenged and he is unable to defend then he will slip up. Once that happens expect him to start throwing people under the bus.

When US realizes what a screw up Trump is, his case will be interesting as classic narcist is quite entertaining vs court & perjury with their deluded view on the world from their perspective.

Seriously dude do you have anything else, or do you have to bring Trump into at least 1 thing a day that has fark to do with him? Your one trick pony is dead and flogged and there is nothing left of it but a rotting stinking carcass, but carry on. Flog that dead horse!


I’m so sick and tired of people bringing in **** into threads that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Whether it’s Trump/Jews/Islam/religion/Liberals/Conservatives/ANC/BEE/EWC etc, it’s just lame and shows how feeble minded and bigoted people are. This is not just a shot at you but everyone who does this ****. It ruins the thread and the forum.

 

[RonSwanson]

Zuma’s spy claims are implausible, paranoid, and a red herring

Jacob Zuma, his legal team and his supporters are clearly trying to make this a case of an illegitimate commission versus the persecution of a popular liberation hero.

Former President Jacob Zuma’s introductory remarks before the Zondo Commission on 15 July could not have been more dramatic, even if they had been scripted for a TV soap opera.

Zuma clearly came to the commission with at least three objectives:

• To undermine the overall legitimacy of the commission, without appearing uncooperative;

To divert the attention of the commission, the media and public opinion in general from the “State Capture” mandate of the commission; and

To project himself as the victim of an elaborate plot engineered by domestic and foreign intelligence services, going back to the early 1990s, to keep him from gaining or retaining political power.

In this regard, Zuma and his legal team used a number of lines of attack (and attempts at distraction):

• Questioning the initial motivation of the Public Protector (Thuli Madonsela) in recommending the establishment of the commission;

Causing confusion about the availability of documents, as well as about processes and procedures of the commission (similar to his defence strategy in recent court cases);

Indicating that he was introduced to the Guptas by Essop Pahad — someone who has always been close to former President Thabo Mbeki;

Emphasising his own liberation struggle credentials;

Claiming that a number of assassination attempts on his life had been foiled, including one by a suicide bomber and a poisoning attempt;

Stating that intelligence organisations — one local service during the time of the apartheid government, in cahoots with two unnamed foreign services — had been part of an elaborate conspiracy since 1990 to undermine his political status and influence within the ANC and the government. He referred to the rape case, the arms investigation, his sacking as the country’s deputy president, his removal as president, the focus on his Nkandla residence and the corruption allegations related to the Guptas; and

Alleging that apartheid sources were part of this process, also after 1994, and that a ‘‘local intelligence service’’ (possibly referring to the former National Intelligence Service, NIS, or Military Intelligence) had co-operated with “the US” (possibly referring to intelligence structures/the CIA) to protect these sources and keep them in positions of power.

In his remarks, Zuma did the “unthinkable”, by identifying three alleged apartheid government intelligence sources in the ANC, although he implied the existence of many others, including people still serving in senior positions within the ANC (I have argued in a Daily Maverick article that the identity of former sources/agents should be divulged as part of a “truth and reconciliation process”, in order to prevent this kind of situation, where names are made known selectively and for political reasons).

Intelligence includes counter-intelligence, so pinch of salt.

 

[ForceFate]

Will Zuma be giving testimony again today?

I can't wait for him to spill the beans. Many forgot he was head of the intelligence arm and probably over the years continued to operate in that manner.

He has dirt on everything.

Zuma has nothing. Maybe a little bit on those he was in exile with. Pretty certain they have more on him. He's been threatening to spill the beans for more than a decade now.

 

[zll]

Zuma has nothing. Maybe a little bit on those he was in exile with. Pretty certain they have more on him. He's been threatening to spill the beans for more than a decade now.

Zuma is desperate. He relied on a fake report to get rid of Gordhan and Jonas way back because he had nothing on them. He's basically made up a fairy tale to distract people who will support him regardless and to try and smoke screen from the issue at hand: did he help thieves gain access to state coffers.

At worst, his claims will be bad for the ANC, but the Rand seems to be loving it so I don't care. I've long believed the ANC needs to rupture. Like a sore it needs to pop so you can squeeze all the puss (Zuma, Ace, Supra, etc) out.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

I am sure his PA recorded it and kept it as a evidence. He is PA to the best intelligence head in the world after all.

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/...n-the-hot-seat-at-zondo-commission-20190716-4

Zuma wants to make a statement. He says his PA received a call last night. The caller wanted to kill him and his children.

Zondo says it is important that witnesses are protected. But he asked whether "by virtue of your position", Zuma already has a lot of security. He wonders what other protection the commission could add.

Zondo suggests that the commission and Zuma's legal team talk to each other about the issue of Zuma's protection.