State capture inquiry begins

Fulcrum29 said:
Ramaphosa sure have a strange way in answering questions. It is like he is giving another Freedom Day speech.

He sure is not giving testimony.
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It looks and sound like someone giving testimony to me, but I am interested to hear what criteria do you use to declare something a testimony.
 
TheChamp said:
It looks and sound like someone giving testimony to me, but I am interested to hear what criteria do you use to declare something a testimony.
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What question is he answering here, because all he has done is to entertain the commission with an opening statement which is going on endlessly now. Who is being represented here, Ramaphosa or the ANC?
 
Fulcrum29 said:
Ramaphosa sure have a strange way in answering questions. It is like he is giving another Freedom Day speech.

He sure is not giving testimony.
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I listened a bit but stopped as it is just like the rest of the people giving evidence. They raise issues of people and gender equality and correcting the wrong of the past. But where are the paper trail of the cadre deployments, the meeting minutes. Where does it show who nominated that person.

He is just waffling saying they will improve but having no accountability. You are not some school clubs. You are the dam governments with billions in budgets and decisions can cost billions and cause the country to be captured.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
What question is he answering here, because all he has done is to entertain the commission with an opening statement which is going on endlessly now. Who is being represented here, Ramaphosa or the ANC?
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He is there to give testimony on bahalf of the ANC as well for his time as a Deputy President of the country. He is currently answering questions on cadre deployment, I thought you were watching?
 
TheChamp said:
He is there to give testimony on bahalf of the ANC as well for his time as a Deputy President of the country. He is currently answering questions on cadre deployment, I thought you were watching?
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I have been tuning in and out since they have gone on lunch. I lost interest when he was elaborating on how the appointment committee appoints people, too many times he diverted giving more statements and loose explanations all the whilst pointing out time and time again that the state capture is a historical event and that the ANC should prevent it to ever reoccur again, but the public, neither the commission, knows whether state capture has become entrenched in the state or not.

No, I haven’t given it all my attention since, purely because Ramaphosa doesn’t directly answer the given question, or so it is within my view.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
I have been tuning in and out since they have gone on lunch. I lost interest when he was elaborating on how the appointment committee appoints people, too many times he diverted giving more statements and loose explanations all the whilst pointing out time and time again that the state capture is a historical event and that the ANC should prevent it to ever reoccur again, but the public, neither the commission, knows whether state capture has become entrenched in the state or not.

No, I haven’t given it all my attention since, purely because Ramaphosa doesn’t directly answer the given question, or so it is within my view.
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I have been watching all the time and not once had the DCJ or Pretorius complained about his answers.
 
Zondo asks how it's possible that almost all boards of SOEs did not do their jobs the right way. How were they selected and why is it that they find themselves where they are now? He says there is a common issue here.

:ROFL:
 
Almost sounded like the president was blaming apartheid for corruption in government and soe.... That was pretty amusing.
 
TheChamp said:
Nope, why does it look like people are desperately looking to find something wrong with his testimony?
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I listened to the whole thing. What did he say then maybe I did not understand it?
 
TheChamp said:
Nope, why does it look like people are desperately looking to find something wrong with his testimony?
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I'll believe there is meaningful legal and political accountability, within the ANC, when all those who voted unanimously in favour of Zuma in Parliament, time and time again, while he was quite blatantly screwing this country like a friend's daughter - Answer for that in a fair manner.
But no... He had to be voted out as president of the ANC first. Oh then... Suddenly there were, what?, 4 of them who voted against Zuma in parliament. Not that what happens in parliament matters. And, they were still publicly lambasted by a large portion of the ANC for it.
And then... Whoopsie. We can't have somebody who's not president of the ANC be president of the country. Out you go mister Zuma. ( the curtain falls down)
Look! It's a brand new ANC! Swear on me mum!

I mean let's be real here. It was thoroughly framed in a politically expedient manner, by a politician. Shall we neglect to call it seminal I wonder?
But let's forget fairness. Logic. All of it. To be frank. Leaving any idealism and philosophical concerns aside, the ANC already answered the question of why they acted in that manner at the time. They said: We are team ANC. And we do not vote with our conscience. We vote team ANC. And, in absolute, realistic terms, that's probably as good an answer as one can expect. But people must not then pretend that it was not the answer. It was the answer.

It is on the record.
 
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TheChamp said:
ewn.co.za

State capture: Ramaphosa to face questions on Gupta contributions, CR17 campaign

President Cyril Ramaphosa will appear at the state capture inquiry for the second and final day in his capacity as ANC deputy president and party president.
ewn.co.za ewn.co.za
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I doubt if there will be much today. There is no way he is going to "name" people (as I believe is the expectation)

p.s. And obviously he was deputy president so it is almost certain that he was the deputy architect of state capture just like Mabuza is deputy architect of whatever-is-happening-now.
 
Tend to think that the Commission should actually do this as it will shed a good chunk of light on the rot at the SOEs.

It will probably also directly implicate lots of senior people in the ANC of course.
 
TheChamp said:
www.sowetanlive.co.za

Norma's testimony gives Gigaba the blues

Former minister Malusi Gigaba has more reasons to worry after his estranged wife's shocking revelations which laid to bare his lavish lifestyle sponsored by the Gupta family.
www.sowetanlive.co.za www.sowetanlive.co.za

No doubt it's the the mean woman blues he's getting.
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Zapiro concurs:

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