State capture inquiry begins

The extension has been secured,

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State capture inquiry secures yet another extension

The North Gauteng high court has again extended the term of the Zondo commission of inquiry into state capture for a further three months.
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State capture inquiry secures yet another extension​


The North Gauteng High Court has again extended the term of the Zondo commission of inquiry into state capture for a further three months.

The inquiry approached the high court on Wednesday on an urgent basis asking for a further extension to complete its report.

Judge Tshifhiwa Maumela granted the three-month extension. This was a day before the expiry of the term for the commission, which had already completed the hearing of oral evidence.

This is the fifth extension for the inquiry initially scheduled to sit for six months.
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The court order will be indicative of the conditions.
 
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More questions than answers about this arrest:
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Fulcrum29 said:
The extension has been secured,

www.timeslive.co.za

State capture inquiry secures yet another extension

The North Gauteng high court has again extended the term of the Zondo commission of inquiry into state capture for a further three months.
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The court order will be indicative of the conditions.
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Justice Zondo is going to float 'Extensions like me' company on the lines of 'Black like me' from Herman Mashaba.
 
surface said:
Justice Zondo is going to float 'Extensions like me' company on the lines of 'Black like me' from Herman Mashaba.
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He can't, Ramaphosa set a date in stone,

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Zondo gets an official D-Day to hand in his report

President Cyril Ramaphosa signs off on deadline to hand in state capture findings
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Zondo gets an official D-Day to hand in his report​


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Ramaphosa signed off the official deadline for submission in late October and the highly anticipated document must be filed by January 1, as indicated in the government gazette published on November 9...
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the question is, then, how the presidency is going to proceed with the report? Though the report is in the public interest, some parts therein won't be made transparent on the get go and perhaps never, as sealing the report or redacting the report is a possibility. However, will the presidency take action in 2022 or 2023 (or later), with the ANC presidential election coming December 2022?

I don't know, Zuma as an ANC chess piece is still used to manoeuvre the ANC's best interests, or so it seems.
 
surface said:
Master of extensions is trying his luck again.

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Zondo's state capture commission applies for yet another extension | News24

Acting Chief Justice Raymond Zondo says the State Capture Inquiry will apply for the extension of its term to the end of February.
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Ugh. In February, they will request to have another extension.

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At least it doesn't seem that they need more money, but I see this has already pass muster with the President.

So... how long will Ramaphosa have to deliberate over the three Zondo reports and to take action? The clock is ticking... This time next year the ANC will also be making some huge deliberation, and with this state and ANC being incapable to be separated. I don't think the patronage network will implode any time soon.
 
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Fulcrum29 said:
Ugh. In February, they will request to have another extension.

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At least it doesn't seem that they need more money, but I see this has already pass muster with the President.

So... how long will Ramaphosa have to deliberate over the three Zondo reports and to take action? The clock is ticking... This time next year the ANC will also be making some huge deliberation, and with this state and ANC being incapable to be separated. I don't think the patronage network will implode any time soon.
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End of Feb 2022 for final report release (assuming no more extensions of course), I would say CR will "study" the report for at least 18 months before anything sees the light of day.
 
ToxicBunny said:
End of Feb 2022 for final report release (assuming no more extensions of course), I would say CR will "study" the report for at least 18 months before anything sees the light of day.
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He wants just 4 months, isn't he a good boy?

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Why Ramaphosa wants a 4-month extension after receiving state capture report | News24

President Cyril Ramaphosa has asked the Gauteng High Court in Pretoria for an extension of four months - after receiving the complete report from the State Capture Commission - so he can communicate his response to Parliament.
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TheChamp said:
He wants just 4 months, isn't he a good boy?

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Why Ramaphosa wants a 4-month extension after receiving state capture report | News24

President Cyril Ramaphosa has asked the Gauteng High Court in Pretoria for an extension of four months - after receiving the complete report from the State Capture Commission - so he can communicate his response to Parliament.
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Still on the money, 14 days turned ~120 days. This report being separated into three parts, which will be gradually served, I would guess that Ramaphosa only have to act on the 'complete' report which would be submitted somewhere March, so Ramaphosa believes it would be most reasonable to communicate his response and implementation in somewhere July?

To quote the article,

Ramaphosa said by the time the report was submitted, there would have been six extensions of the time for submission by the commission.
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okay, but,

"I always understood that it was only after receipt of the six complete reports that I would have a comprehensive appreciation of the State Capture Commission's findings and recommendations."
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three more reports? It is possible that this understanding could still materialise, which would push out the date even more.

I don't know, but I can see a situation where Ramaphosa is starting to request more time on his current request... By that time the ANC is drumming their elective December drums, and somewhere between now and then are their provincial elective.

Not to take away, I also don't believe 14 days is enough to appropriately communicate to Parliament, but the NPA and intelligence is sharing with the Zondo Commission, so there must already be substantial work done to accommodate the President's ultimate action, or implementation, plan.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Tend to agree with Holomisa with this one.
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Yeah agree even though Holomisa and the opposition want it for selfish political ends. "Independent" commission reports ought to be released to the public immediately, not sure why they always go to government for "consideration" first.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Tend to agree with Holomisa with this one.
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I wouldn't have a problem with Zondo presenting it but I do think it's much ado about nothing, Cyril's witness status at the commission should not present any conflict of interest.

It looks like he is succumbing to the false notion that the commission is a court and witnesses are accused or implicated people. There has been enough delays already and I hope Holomisa and the others are not going to introduce another delays by wanting to drag this to court, I can totally see the EFF jumping onto the bandwagon.
 
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TheChamp said:
Cyril's witness status at the commission should not present any conflict of interest
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the fact that multiple high ranking members of the party he leads are indeed implicated does represent a conflict of interest though

doesn't really matter who presents it to parliament, as long as it is done without alterations and done in a timely manner

I can understand and would agree with anyone who is arguing against any further delays, CR can always present it right away and set a future date for announcing any actions, the report doesn't need to be kept hidden while he applies his mind
 
R13... said:
Yeah agree even though Holomisa and the opposition want it for selfish political ends. "Independent" commission reports ought to be released to the public immediately, not sure why they always go to government for "consideration" first.
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What is the concern here? That CR will exclude specific parts when he presents the report?

Is this report going to be available to public after the presentation? If yes, then there should be no issue as we can check what CR didn't say. If no, then I can see a problem.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
the fact that multiple high ranking members of the party he leads are indeed implicated does represent a conflict of interest though
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No it doesn't, at least not in the manner that conflict of interest is usually defined.

You are applying some guilty by association logic that I don't understand, politicians are implicated in wrongdoing all the time, it doesn't automatically render the others associated with them incapable of discharging their duties not does it present a conflict of interest.
 
surface said:
What is the concern here? That CR will exclude specific parts when he presents the report?

Is this report going to be available to public after the presentation? If yes, then there should be no issue as we can check what CR didn't say. If no, then I can see a problem.
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The concern is that cyril will sit on it for ages while he studies it... And the ANC have been heavily implicated in the inquiry so there may be pressure to take sections of the report out before presenting to parliament
 
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