State capture inquiry begins

R13... said:
Yeah agree even though Holomisa and the opposition want it for selfish political ends. "Independent" commission reports ought to be released to the public immediately, not sure why they always go to government for "consideration" first.
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Most probably a procedural thing that has something to do with separation of powers.
 
TheChamp said:
No it doesn't, at least not in the manner that conflict of interest is usually defined.

You are applying some guilty by association logic that I don't understand, politicians are implicated in wrongdoing all the time, it doesn't automatically render the others associated with them incapable of discharging their duties not does it present a conflict of interest.
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I put it to you that General is up to no good. Look at him smirking along with Cyril. Definitely the smirk of a person who received tender.

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ToxicBunny said:
The concern is that cyril will sit on it for ages while he studies it... And the ANC have been heavily implicated in the inquiry so there may be pressure to take sections of the report out before presenting to parliament
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He asked for four months in court papers, and I am sure Zondo and the commission will recognise if the report was altered, unless they are also in on the scam.
 
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TheChamp said:
He asked for four months in court papers, and I am sure Zondo and the commission will know recognise if the report was altered, unless they are also in on the scam.
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I don't mean to be disrespectful here but Justice Zondo doesn't look like a person who will confront Cyril if report is altered. To me he sounded so ingratiatingly polite to most of the scumbags in front of him that it sickened me to bits. I am sure he meant well and he probably didn't want to antagonize but that is how came across to me. /shrugs

p.s. I could understand his mannerism if he was heading a CCMA hearing or resolving a union conflict.
 
surface said:
What is the concern here? That CR will exclude specific parts when he presents the report?

Is this report going to be available to public after the presentation? If yes, then there should be no issue as we can check what CR didn't say. If no, then I can see a problem.
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It's the legal route but CR does have a vested interest in what, how and when the report gets released. The commission still has to consult with government in deciding what parts of the reports can be made public and which not. There'll be part that are classified, parts that can't be made public because of the names it names and recommendations for prosecution.
 
R13... said:
It's the legal route but CR does have a vested interest in what, how and when the report gets released. The commission still has to consult with government in deciding what parts of the reports can be made public and which not. There'll be part that are classified, parts that can't be made public because of the names it names and recommendations for prosecution.
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Well, Justice Zondo could present the report and Cyril could politely ask him to omit certain things beforehand. Obviously no one is going to read ENTIRE report in parliament.
 
surface said:
I don't mean to be disrespectful here but Justice Zondo doesn't look like a person who will confront Cyril if report is altered. To me he sounded so ingratiatingly polite to most of the scumbags in front of him that it sickened me to bits. I am sure he meant well and he probably didn't want to antagonize but that is how came across to me. /shrugs
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I am actually glad he was the one appointed to lead the commission instead of Mogoeng.

On being polite to scumbags, we are the public and can judge, convict and sentence people as we like, to him everyone who appears at the commission is a witness, no matter how scumbaggy they look or sound, it wasn't his place to judge the scumbags, that time is still coming.
 
TheChamp said:
I am actually glad he was the one appointed to lead the commission instead of Mogoeng.

On being polite to scumbags, we are the public and can judge, convict and sentence people as we like, to him everyone who appears at the commission is a witness, no matter how scumbaggy they look or sound, it wasn't his place to judge the scumbags, that time is still coming.
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Ironic that all of the main accused (especially Zuma) felt he was adversarial in his treatment of their witness. They went (those who did) in to fight and were combative regardless of how well they got treated all things considered. I am still not sure why the likes of Fraser weren't summoned.
 
R13... said:
Ironic that all of the main accused (especially Zuma) felt he was adversarial in his treatment of their witness. They went (those who did) in to fight and were combative regardless of how well they got treated all things considered. I am still not sure why the likes of Fraser weren't summoned.
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It is victimhood strategy employed by scumbags. We got lot of victims here as well.
 
TheChamp said:
it doesn't automatically render the others associated with them incapable of discharging their duties
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no it doesn't, yet there is still conflict of interest

- if your child is accused of murder you as a parent will want to protect them
- if your child is accused of murder and also naming your name in his/her confession you as a parent may want to protect them, but you sure as hell will want to protect yourself

it doesn't mean you can't be impartial, it does however mean it's best for you to step aside completely to avoid even the appearance of impropriety

in CR's case sitting on it for any length of time will make many believe he's just buying time for the ANC to get its ducks in a row, no problem with him presenting the report to parliament, any delay tactics will be an obvious: ANC before the country move however
 
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TheChamp said:
He asked for four months in court papers, and I am sure Zondo and the commission will recognise if the report was altered, unless they are also in on the scam.
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I'm not necessarily suggesting it get altered per se... more that its initial release in parliament will be piecemeal and that civic orgs will need to fight in court to get the full report published.
 
News24 is breaking down snippets from the report:
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DEVELOPING | Ramaphosa says there was pushback within the ANC over the state capture report | News24

Read all the latest news, opinion and analysis as our journalists unpack the key findings of part 1 of the State Capture Inquiry report.
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Zuma:
The report says: "Mr Zuma fled the Commission completely without any valid reason. He did so in order to avoid having to answer questions in the Commission... He did not want to account to the nation. He knew he was not going to have answers to many of the questions that were bound to be put to him."
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Myeni:
The commission said that, according to former ministers Pravin Gordhan and Nhlanhla Nene, Dudu Myeni’s retention as SAA chair despite the numerous concerns being raised about her, and uncertainty about the limits on her terms in charge, was “due to the personal preference of former President Zuma.”

“This preference appears to have been more important to the former President than the proper governance or management of SAA," the commission found.
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Moyane:
The Commission says the capture of SARS "is a clear example of how the private sector colluded with the Executive, including [former president] Zuma, to capture an institution that was highly regarded internationally and render it ineffective." Zuma promised the job of SARS commissioner to Tom Moyane well ahead of the appointment being made, and they promised consultancy Bain the job of overhauling SARS, even though it was unnecessary.
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Gordon_R said:
News24 is breaking down snippets from the report:
www.news24.com

DEVELOPING | Ramaphosa says there was pushback within the ANC over the state capture report | News24

Read all the latest news, opinion and analysis as our journalists unpack the key findings of part 1 of the State Capture Inquiry report.
www.news24.com www.news24.com
Zuma:

Myeni:

Moyane:
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Anything about recommendations? The last thing I want to see, which I have brought up way early, are more commissions to be established to investigate particular cases on a case-by-case basis.

To quote the Proclamations,


The Commission shall where appropriate, refer any matter for prosecution, further investigation or the convening of a separate enquiry to the appropriate law enforcement agency, government department or regulator regarding the conduct of a certain person/s.
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I would like to know where prosecutions are recommended... but this is but mere one report.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
I would like to know where prosecutions are recommended...
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Dudu Myeni and Thalente Myeni

The State Capture Commission has recommended that there be corruption charges laid against Dudu Myeni, her son, Thalente, and others who were involved in the scheme to secure millions of rands for the personal benefit Myeni and the Jacob Zuma Foundation.

The Commission said evidence before it indicates that the “dealings between VNA Consulting, Premier Attraction (Thalente Myeni’s business), Mr X’s (a witness who could not be named) business, Ms Duduzile Myeni, and the Jacob Zuma Foundation were not arms-length business dealings.
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Brian Molefe

Former Transnet CEO Brian Molefe should be prosecuted by the NPA for fraud and contravening the PFMA for his role in facilitating irregular contracts between Gupta-owned The New Age and the parastatal, the State Capture Commission has recommended.

In the first part of its report, the commission recommended similar action be taken against former Eskom CEO Colin Matjila.
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www.news24.com

DEVELOPING | Ramaphosa says there was pushback within the ANC over the state capture report | News24

Read all the latest news, opinion and analysis as our journalists unpack the key findings of part 1 of the State Capture Inquiry report.
www.news24.com www.news24.com
 
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