Steyn going to play overseas

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Steyn going to play overseas?

Well not yet... but I give it a couple months before it happens. Brad Barrit is already going because [imo]our coach is a transformation pushing idiot[/imo] and does not care what he is doing to SA rugby. We are also going to loose BJ Botha, one of the best, if not the best, tight heads in the world.

This is an extract from an atricle on Super Rugby

The departure of Barritt is worrying as it could mirror a general unhappiness among young players of his ilk. There are already well sourced rumours that Frans Steyn, axed by Springbok coach Peter de Villiers on Sunday but a match-winner a year ago against Australia and a vital part of the World Cup winning squad, is also looking to further his career overseas.
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Choose your titles as it pleases you. Do not be put off by the ""Sensationalist"" do gooders. Its a very fitting title as it caught the attention. I would not be surprised if the Springboks like Steyn look for better propositions as clearly they are from the wrong gene-pool for the SA rugby. No matter the performance or capability. They would be F@@ls if they stay.
Anyway that will obviously give Do gooders a thrill as Watson is there to soothe the mind.
 
Ahhh, how lucky of us to be joined by an expert on the subject of rugby. Welcome Uno.

And after reading the wisdom shared by you is it not true (although I am aware you will not know!) that each time we get a new coach, and each time someone feels disgruntled, we get this talk of players leaving. In fact it would be interesting to see how the two of you feel about the likes of Matfield and Smit coming back here under PDV? They got themselves out of overseas contracts to come back and play... Bakkies too from what I can recall.

Many players are seeking to make money overseas. It is the professional era. When Beckham left the premier league for the US was that a reflection on Alex Ferguson being a useless manager? Did it mean the premier league was in a downward spiral?
 
LancelotSA said:
Many players are seeking to make money overseas. It is the professional era. When Beckham left the premier league for the US was that a reflection on Alex Ferguson being a useless manager? Did it mean the premier league was in a downward spiral?
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Ahh at last a sensible comment from you today. It is a professional era and Yes players will leave for that reason too. So yes maybe that would be the only reason why Steyn, if he does, leave and not due to the fact that he is dropped. Do you really want him to sit on the edges waiting for Lord PDV to decide his future. Nobody want a lucky clown to decide his life so Yeah he may leave as suggested. For the others coming back, did they do so out of free will or were they offered something? Are they going to be content to sit on the sideline and wait for the circus manager to call their name to perform or will they just seek another contract.

Oh I forgot you must have also read the GOOD NEWS of all the SAFAS coming back to a better and safer crimeless life as the ANC claims. Oh I forgot. You are the ANC personification. Therefore you scathing attack on this title of this thread.
 
It's not a bad thing for top players to go ply their trade abroad, in fact the experience enriches them both financially and in terms of experience gained of other conditions. Steyn playing overseas doesn't mean he wouldn't be available for SA.

Also him leaving would leave his position open for some other prospect to fill. There are no shortages of excellent rugby players in SA and I would hope that SARU would include Boks playing abroad for re-selection.

Of course mass exodus of our best players might leave the Currie cup a little watered down and less competitive. One would hope these players would return to their provinces in time for next years Super 14...
 
the title is false and misleading with respect to its content.
 
Beckham left to make his mark in US history and cash in a massive paycheck, our rugby players are leaving because they don't get included in a squad, comparing beckham to the current situation in rugby is crazy.

We are losing players because they are not being used, mostly because they are the wrong colour. Very sad indeed.
 
LancelotSA said:
Ahhh, how lucky of us to be joined by an expert on the subject of rugby. Welcome Uno.

And after reading the wisdom shared by you is it not true (although I am aware you will not know!) that each time we get a new coach, and each time someone feels disgruntled, we get this talk of players leaving. In fact it would be interesting to see how the two of you feel about the likes of Matfield and Smit coming back here under PDV? They got themselves out of overseas contracts to come back and play... Bakkies too from what I can recall.

Many players are seeking to make money overseas. It is the professional era. When Beckham left the premier league for the US was that a reflection on Alex Ferguson being a useless manager? Did it mean the premier league was in a downward spiral?
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Ahh regards to bakkies. (Google is your friend)
Bakkies Botha 'exclusive'
05 May 2008 10:50
http://sport.iafrica.com/columns/dan_world/783819.htm

His comment is so true and surreal. Same experience I had overseas. Even in the Czech Republic. Anyway Sound a lot like he is prepared to return willingly. Maybe the french chocolat changed his mind since this interview. LOL.

Maybe he would be offered a "good" contract like Matfield that makes it worthwhile to stay.

http://www.rugby365.com/tournaments/super14/news/773654.htm

French violence chased Matfield home.............

.....The Bulls offer is said to be about half of that put on the table by Saints, a meager ZAR3m
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So yeah He wanted to return based on bad experience and a "nice" contract.
If he did not get the contract? Will Steyn be offered ZAR3m to stay?

As for Smith? was he gone, He just played for the SA team and was injured. He was going to Bath and the sharks negotiated a package to lure him back. Was he dropped from the SA team.

Steyn was dropped and obviously he will as a professional weigh up his options. If he cannot get in t6he SA team due to politics and the SA clubs do not offer him enough he will sign overseas.


As for Beckham, he was in a very dry spell with others performing better and he got some lucrative offers from USA. That's it. No bearing on what is happening here. He was not rejected because of some political gallivanting.

None of above have any bearing on the attack you lodged against the thread starter for your own political reasons.
 
killadoob said:
Beckham left to make his mark in US history and cash in a massive paycheck, our rugby players are leaving because they don't get included in a squad, comparing beckham to the current situation in rugby is crazy.

We are losing players because they are not being used, mostly because they are the wrong colour. Very sad indeed.
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Not sure I want to get involved in this as it could get out of hand... race "debates" often do. But anyway, I don't agree with the above but it is my opinion only. We have such an abundance of talent in this country that only 22 will make a squad. You are bound to leave players out so some will go overseas to make good money... I mean for how long will they continue to play before their careers are over. Nothing wrong with that? But what seems wrong with your post is you imply it is the only reason why they are leaving, because they are not picked and as you state, they are the wrong colour? Surely someone like Steyn will not be able to play for another country anytime soon... so is he is leaving just for the money? Other players are happy to play CC and S14 rugby and don't just pack up when they are overlooked. But what about guys like Bobo, Chavanga, Guthro, Bolla, the Ndugane brothers?? Sure they may not be highly rated by you because they are players of colour and clearly not merit selections but what if one of them packs up and goes overseas? What would you say their motivation is... money right! After all they are the right colour... well according to you this is a race issue anyway. :D
 
Only so many spots on a squad, and to be honest... You cant say that Francois Steyn is performing? Seriously, so he was part of the WC Squad and he did make an impact then... But 2 minutes of brilliance isnt good enough if you have 15 minutes of crap (I know a game is 80 minutes)

But Francois Steyn should go overseas, become a bit more mature and who knows? It worked for Percy...

Francois Steyn isnt playing good... If your not performing you need to be dropped, play at a lower level get your confidence back up again, perform and get elected again... Funny thing is I think Francois Steyn has a little bit to much confidence sometimes, not a bad thing, but he needs to control it...

Also Im pretty sure he will be back in the Tri-Nations squad... He's just been dropped for the Argentinia game... If he isnt in the gameplan why keep him? Let him play a Currie Cup game and get some game time?
 
and to be honest jake picked a player that was playing in japan. so i can't see much of an issue if steyn decides to play overseas.
 
I thinks its shocking that our guys are leaving or even thinking about going, this is the only sport where we are really good and now this new coach is really messing it all up. I am not a fan of him I think he is clueless.
 
I think our players should also relax a bit, as soon as they are not in a starting line up in the springboks, they start hinting about going overseas (and this is happening all over the world). Is it some kind of curse playing at provincial level?

There are a lot of players at provincial level that rule the game, and yet they are not in the springbok team, but they still play every weekend and they play for the fans.

If you are not in the line-up (although I am peeved at steyn not being there, seriously, send butch home), guess what, go back to your province, and keep on playing with heart, it should be an honour, not a right.

Even if Ruan plays at provincial level, I'll still cheer his excellent play, he does not need to wear the the green and gold for me to cheer him, and will not be cheered any less.

ok, enough of justifying this to myself, now I look to the next game to see if we are getting better
 
PPC_SouthAfrica said:
I thinks its shocking that our guys are leaving or even thinking about going, this is the only sport where we are really good and now this new coach is really messing it all up. I am not a fan of him I think he is clueless.
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The last topic is being covered extensively in this thread : http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=130002

And as regards the former comment please note that this is the OP sensationalist view at the moment about Steyn. He may leave but we all seem to be stuck in the amateur age of rugby still. A move in football is celebrated and discussed as a good thing... in rugby it is frowned upon and seen as a failure by the union that is being left. Strange really....
 
LancelotSA said:
The last topic is being covered extensively in this thread : http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=130002

And as regards the former comment please note that this is the OP sensationalist view at the moment about Steyn. He may leave but we all seem to be stuck in the amateur age of rugby still. A move in football is celebrated and discussed as a good thing... in rugby it is frowned upon and seen as a failure by the union that is being left. Strange really....
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Are you for real ?

Seriously, Steyn is a Rugby legend to be, his young and need to be nurished and groomed to be all he can be. If we lose one more Great sportsman because of politics there must be something wrong.

Same happened to:

Kevin Peterson
Clive Rathbone

we can not afford to lose Sporting greats because of the stupid mentality our coaches have. How can you try and justify that ?
 
Pitbull said:
Are you for real ?

Seriously, Steyn is a Rugby legend to be, his young and need to be nurished and groomed to be all he can be. If we lose one more Great sportsman because of politics there must be something wrong.

Same happened to:

Kevin Peterson
Clive Rathbone

we can not afford to lose Sporting greats because of the stupid mentality our coaches have. How can you try and justify that ?
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Are you for real?

If he goes and plays for a club he can still represent South Africa. In fact he can't play internationally for another country for a number of years. Think Percy.Think Butch.
 
LancelotSA said:
Are you for real?

If he goes and plays for a club he can still represent South Africa. In fact he can't play internationally for another country for a number of years. Think Percy.Think Butch.
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Ok se lets send him away and the Currie Cup loses all the good players ?
The Currie Cup is bigger to me than the World cup and Tri nations put into one.

Sorry but looks like your whole "SA good news" view seems to have changed.
 
Pitbull said:
Ok se lets send him away and the Currie Cup loses all the good players ?
The Currie Cup is bigger to me than the World cup and Tri nations put into one.

Sorry but looks like your whole "SA good news" view seems to have changed.
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Can none of you guys in your desperation to argue stay away from my sig? Always reeks of a last gasp effort as a come back!

I DID NOT say SEND HIM AWAY! If he wants to though he should be free to move without it reflecting on the state of SA rugby. Hence my comparison to football... they move all the time!

Currie cup is the breeding ground pitbull... and you know what... one player leaves it means an opportunity for another and SA rugby is actually all the better for it, so there is the GOOD NEWS you were so desperate for!

You say Currie cup is the be all and end all for you but you actually sound like one of those people who wants all the Springboks playing in it otherwise you are not interested.
 
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