Suggestion for CAP

I think there should be no cap at all !!!

It is like the electricity company telling you how much you can use each month so you run to the thing that counts the KW used, every time before you switch on your oven !!! How dumb is that !!! Most countries have no caps and there are no problems with that ! After the first few months people will download all things they wanted to download over the past 5 years, and thereafter they will download mostly new stuff, which are not that many. I doubt that after the first 3-6 months there will be more than 10GB average usage per ADSL account in the country.
 
You dont really need a big drive if you can get it down at that speed. Hell use it and delete it. You need it tomorrow , download it again! No problem.
 
viceroy said:
A little while ago I got bored and did a small spreadsheet of each account type and throughput. Below are my findings based on the following assumptions.

average power user will be online most nights per month for approximately 4 hours, assuming he/she isn't a total loser and actually goes out about 4 or 5 times a month. I'm also assuming that said user isn't a download junkie and won't have their connection downloading content 24/7

I've averaged a month to 30 days.

DSL192
Max Capacity per month - 53GB (assuming 90% efficiency)
Max Usage based on above assumptions - 11.385GB

DSL384
Max Capacity per month - 106GB (assuming 90% efficiency)
Max Usage based on above assumptions - 22.77GB

DSL512
Max Capacity per month - 142GB (assuming 90% efficiency)
Max Usage based on above assumptions - 30.375GB

DSL1024
Max Capacity per month - 284GB (assuming 90% efficiency)
Max Usage based on above assumptions - 60.75GB


So lets say that the following should be more than enough for your average power user who won't suck the system dry

DSL192 = 15GB
DSL384 = 30GB
DLS512 = 40GB
DSL1024 = 80GB

That would be enough for most people with an extra 30% for those nights where you just gotta download something huge
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Your theory is flawed: the average power user uses his pc for 4-5 hours a night. But your average power user downloads while he is not using his pc, so your actually likely to have lower traffic during his 4-5 hours than if his not at the system.

Putting that aside there is a minimum threshold on the bandwidth usage. E.g.: Person A has 1Mbit line Person B has 64K isdn they both want new anime series X. Inevitably Person A downloads it in 1-2 days all honkey dory, Person B's on the other hand has a slow connection but he still wants the anime, so what does he do? He maxes his connection. This means that 192 is way to low :).Obviously your usage still scales according to your speed, just not so much on the high end packages



At the end of the day if I look at my usage patterns on ISDN. I'd estimate the correct bandwidth usage patterns would be:
192Kbits: 35 Gig
384Kbits: 50 Gig
512Kbits: 60 Gig
1Mbit: 100 Gig (The reason I did this jump is because the 1Mbit threshold really makes the connection ideal for watching streaming video which is likely to bump up bandwidth usage during non downloading hours.
 
how much do you ppl actually download? i'm on axxess 30 gig since the 2nd of the month, and i use it as i please , i've only pulled 17 gigs, and thats with my friends, and my roomate using it aswell!
 
Vio said:
Your theory is flawed: the average power user uses his pc for 4-5 hours a night. But your average power user downloads while he is not using his pc, so your actually likely to have lower traffic during his 4-5 hours than if his not at the system.

Putting that aside there is a minimum threshold on the bandwidth usage. E.g.: Person A has 1Mbit line Person B has 64K isdn they both want new anime series X. Inevitably Person A downloads it in 1-2 days all honkey dory, Person B's on the other hand has a slow connection but he still wants the anime, so what does he do? He maxes his connection. This means that 192 is way to low :).Obviously your usage still scales according to your speed, just not so much on the high end packages



At the end of the day if I look at my usage patterns on ISDN. I'd estimate the correct bandwidth usage patterns would be:
192Kbits: 35 Gig
384Kbits: 50 Gig
512Kbits: 60 Gig
1Mbit: 100 Gig (The reason I did this jump is because the 1Mbit threshold really makes the connection ideal for watching streaming video which is likely to bump up bandwidth usage during non downloading hours.
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I wouldn't say it was flawed, just based on some simple assumptions.

I surf most nights and download quite a bit (did over 600mb last night)

While surfing, you're not going to download too much. My wife spends a lot of time during the day online doing surfing, email and MSN and she'll use about 50mb

I come home at night and surf while she watches TV and I'll use 50mb from just surfing. my downloads are all when I sleep, and I try limit myself to an average of 200-250mb per night because of my 10gig cap.

With a 15gig cap on my 192kb line I'd up my download limit to about 300mb per night on average.

15-20gig should be enough to satisfy the majority of users with a 192kb line.

If you're going to use all your bandwidth downloading Anime, then you fall outside of the average and into the download junkie group and would therefore need to purchase more bandwidth.

Hell my brother in the UK has a 1mb line and a 30gig cap, and he has never hit his cap in the 2 years he's had his line.
 
What would you do with 1Gbps?

Just daydreaming and wondering what I would do with a few bucks if I lived in Hong Kong...

I would love to set up a 32tb or more system, use a really good site mirror tool and start at the root of the web.... then see how much you can mirror locally just for fun. See how fast you can fill a 32tb disk array... ah well, woke up with my coffee cold and rusk stolen...
 
viceroy said:
A little while ago I got bored and did a small spreadsheet of each account type and throughput. Below are my findings based on the following assumptions.

average power user will be online most nights per month for approximately 4 hours, assuming he/she isn't a total loser and actually goes out about 4 or 5 times a month. I'm also assuming that said user isn't a download junkie and won't have their connection downloading content 24/7

I've averaged a month to 30 days.

DSL192
Max Capacity per month - 53GB (assuming 90% efficiency)
Max Usage based on above assumptions - 11.385GB

DSL384
Max Capacity per month - 106GB (assuming 90% efficiency)
Max Usage based on above assumptions - 22.77GB

DSL512
Max Capacity per month - 142GB (assuming 90% efficiency)
Max Usage based on above assumptions - 30.375GB

DSL1024
Max Capacity per month - 284GB (assuming 90% efficiency)
Max Usage based on above assumptions - 60.75GB


So lets say that the following should be more than enough for your average power user who won't suck the system dry

DSL192 = 15GB
DSL384 = 30GB
DLS512 = 40GB
DSL1024 = 80GB

That would be enough for most people with an extra 30% for those nights where you just gotta download something huge
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Nice - this includes uploading too? If so at what percentage?
 
when i think about adsl speeds i also think about my view of the person how would get it.

DSL192 = 6GB
1st time net user or low data user
DSL384 = 40GB
family or small bisness
DLS512 = 100GB
median lan sharing, personal servers, mediam data user
DSL1024 = 180GB
large lan, mediam bussnies, corporat servers, high data user

maybe the top is a bit low and the bottom is a bit high, but its not a bad way to do it imo.

also the 192 is more of a insentive to move pepole off dile up so it could be sold very cheap, cos it uses much less cap !
 
I have vDSL, dont hear me complaining;)
no caps
but the police watch your bandwith activity here.
Lets be honest, 70% of the time, people are downloading illegal stuff!
 
in your assumptions you made no account for the change in computing activitys that may happen when a higher bit rate service is avaliable, espeslaly if it is on 24/7. Users that are more experanced will find ways and needs to use there line for larger items or heven forbid have a server. This will efect useage hours as the data rate incresses. imo of course.
 
tell me this , whose really gonna be bothered to dl 40 gb in a month!
Either they dont have a social life or they just like doing it as a sport!
 
bear in mind there's a difference between the l33t warez kiddies downloading everything they can in an undiscriminating way, doing d/l's purely because a thing is 'new' - and the more discerning 'collector geeks' going after their data of choice..

With the various appz and networks available today, it takes little or no time to find/set up/tag and sit back and let downloads pour in 24/7 of the specific data-genres that you're into - so point being, you can easily be downloading 30 - 50gigs or more a month of very precise chosen data, and still have both a life, and be doing it - not as a sport - but to get and enjoy the resulting downloads.

I mean I sit on DC++ Hubs, with 20-30 Terabytes on average, of interesting and obscure Asian films, and tacky Italian horror films. (Almost none of that 20-30 Terabytes of data, is material that the MPAA would bother to investigate either - as they're generally not the movies that are being released commercially in cinemas in the West, and often are 30 year old films or older.)

It's generally the l33t warez kiddies who are under threat and surveillance, not the genre-specific-collector geeks, because the warez kiddies are shovelling in everything - usually just because its 'new' - and thus forever triggering fights with the legal owners and distributors of that 'new' data.
 
lilgindauk said:
I have vDSL, dont hear me complaining;)
no caps
but the police watch your bandwith activity here.
Lets be honest, 70% of the time, people are downloading illegal stuff!
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south african police got much more important things to worry about than piracy.
 
Actually If you look from telkom's point of view the faster the speed the faster data goes out and the more they can sell.

ISDN = unlimited
DSL192 = 80GB
DSL384 = 40GB
DLS512 = 30GB
DSL1024= 15GB

Remembering they are bringing the cap with the 1024 connection ....Ie they need it for the 1024 .... ie they cannot really handle 1024 - kinda like iBurst can't
 
LoneGunman said:
It's generally the l33t warez kiddies who are under threat and surveillance, not the genre-specific-collector geeks, because the warez kiddies are shovelling in everything - usually just because its 'new' - and thus forever triggering fights with the legal owners and distributors of that 'new' data.
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One of the reasons that these l33t warez kiddies do this, is the hope that they'll get futher up the food chain themselves and closer to the original source of the pirated data - the fresher the releases you share, the more "kudos" and the better access you get.

I guess it's just human nature - the boastful collector.

I've read that money rarely changes hands and I can believe that.
There's no reason for the medium sized DVD pirate syndicates, for instance, to get the latest release as quickly as the warez groups do - they just need a network of "employees" to hang sufficiently high enough up that chain to grab what is popular, then they burn it to DVD and sell it onto Mr. & Mrs. John Q Public via distribution networks - another chain in itself.

It's a fascinating black market infrastructure. In some cases, it's little more than the old dodgy cassette car boot sale / flea market stall, in others, it's a massive operation that, in the case of software, is sometimes virtually impossible to tell from the original to the untrained eye.

Of course, I'm just speculating over what I've read and what I can deduce - I'm sure the reality is far more interesting than anything I can imagine.

As for what the cap should be, 10gig lowest.

My gut feeling tells me that Telkom will stick with 3gig regardless, because, that's enough data for anyone, right ?
Everyone knows that all broadband is for is pornography and pirated goods ...
 
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