Suggestion for CAP

bb_matt said:
As for what the cap should be, 10gig lowest.

My gut feeling tells me that Telkom will stick with 3gig regardless, because, that's enough data for anyone, right ?
Everyone knows that all broadband is for is pornography and pirated goods ...
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I would agree with that. 10 gigs should be more than enough for the average user (80% of SA). I know I sit back in Awe/Disgust at some people commenting on downloading their 30 gigs for the month and complaining because they have been cut off (some I know are legit though), While I sit back and try to manage my b/w as best as possible to try get the most out of my 3 gigs while still getting some work done (and I do spend about 4-6 hours online at night, Plus My Fiance uses the line for all of her Research work).

I have a few friends that run gaming websites in the US, that do reviews on most Online games. Now every now and then I get asked if I wouldn't mind checking out a new Alpha/BETA game and writing a review... This month I got asked to check out 3 games. At an average of 700 megs per game, I had to refuse 2 of them and only choose one to do the review on as otherwise I wouldn't be able to do anything at all, and even then I had to be careful and I've got very close to hitting my 3 gigs with the extra 789 megs this month, and video conferencing with my Fiance while she was doing work overseas this past month..

Cant wait for the day (if it ever comes) That I can check them out with out the fear of being disconnected (Throttling is the same in my books) and 10 gigs should be perfect for most people
Of course I also know if I got given the 10 gigs, I would download all those extra games to check, and Maybe even finally update all of my programs and operating systems and get close to the 10 gigs now just like I get close to the 3 gigs. Give me 30gig and I'll be as happy as can be, though i'll still be smiling with 10 gigs
 
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Kalvaer said:
I would agree with that. 10 gigs should be more than enough for the average user (80% of SA). I know I sit back in Awe/Disgust at some people commenting on downloading their 30 gigs for the month and complaining because they have been cut off (some I know are legit though), While I sit back and try to manage my b/w as best as possible to try get the most out of my 3 gigs while still getting some work done (and I do spend about 4-6 hours online at night, Plus My Fiance uses the line for all of her Research work).

I have a few friends that run gaming websites in the US, that do reviews on most Online games. Now every now and then I get asked if I wouldn't mind checking out a new Alpha/BETA game and writing a review... This month I got asked to check out 3 games. At an average of 700 megs per game, I had to refuse 2 of them and only choose one to do the review on as otherwise I wouldn't be able to do anything at all, and even then I had to be careful and I've got very close to hitting my 3 gigs with the extra 789 megs this month, and video conferencing with my Fiance while she was doing work overseas this past month..

Cant wait for the day (if it ever comes) That I can check them out with out the fear of being disconnected (Throttling is the same in my books) and 10 gigs should be perfect for most people
Of course I also know if I got given the 10 gigs, I would download all those extra games to check, and Maybe even finally update all of my programs and operating systems and get close to the 10 gigs now just like I get close to the 3 gigs. Give me 30gig and I'll be as happy as can be, though i'll still be smiling with 10 gigs
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I feel exactly what you feel. I initially thought a 3gig limit would be fine, but since Axxess and Imaginet started offering 7gig more for only R130 more I opted for that.

I've only has ADSL since the 15th and have used a whole 2.1gb in that time. I'll admin that I was initially cautious about bandwidth usage and even cautioned my wife as to how much MSN'ing she could do but after looking at my logs, I've completely relaxed since her sufing and MSN'ing and email for an entire day used less than 10mb.

I mainly use my connection to download the odd game demo, video clip, mostly surfing, and emailing, but the fact that I can download any update to any of my software at any time is just awesome.
 
Hi all...

I'm a bit confused with some of the opinions raised in this thread regarding the caps that Telkom should impose on the specific ADSL packages...

First of all, are we basically saying it's all right for Telkom to actually dictate the CAP amount??? Shouldn't that be left to the service provider???

The reason I'm asking this is because (I stand corrected) I believe that we each require different CAP amounts based on the reason that we're actually using that ADSL service. If I only use it for HTML and email access, sure, 3 GB per month MIGHT be enough. But if i'm a "heavy user", then 3 GB MIGHT not be enough!! It therefore makes more sense for VANS operators to provide different CAP amounts, simply because that will result in a far greater VARIETY of CAP amounts offered in the industry. This, in contrast to Telkom imposing this CAP, resulting in only a few CAP options for the consumer.

If some of you are saying that Telkom should impose the specified CAP amounts, are you asking them in their capacity as a VANS operator or in their status as the telecoms infrastructure monopoly???
Cause if your answer is the second one, then I really can't see how each consumer's specific CAP needs will be addressed, unless the CAP amount is "unlimited" of course. In that case, it won't matter whether you're a "heavy user" or not.
 
At the recent ICASA-Telkom hearings, I saw that people were complaning about the 3GB CAP that Telkom imposed on them.

Is this really possible, if you're using an operator such as axxess??? Although Telkom is a monopoly when it comes to its network, it certainly isn't the only VANS operator out there, isn't it??? The way I see it, people who are complaining about the 3GB CAP amount are people who probably have Telkom as their ADSL service provider. My question is... why not just switch to a ADSL service provider who offers a larger CAP amount???
 
mozez said:
At the recent ICASA-Telkom hearings, I saw that people were complaning about the 3GB CAP that Telkom imposed on them.

Is this really possible, if you're using an operator such as axxess??? Although Telkom is a monopoly when it comes to its network, it certainly isn't the only VANS operator out there, isn't it??? The way I see it, people who are complaining about the 3GB CAP amount are people who probably have Telkom as their ADSL service provider. My question is... why not just switch to a ADSL service provider who offers a larger CAP amount???
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While the people where complaining about it The ICASA hearings where not only about the CAP

Also Telkom might not be the only VANS, but they are the only ones who have control of the SAT 3 Pipe. In effect all VANS have to go through telkom, There where even MWEB employee's complaining at the ICASA hearings. I'm still not 100% sure how companies like AXXESS have got around the cap, but it is imposed on everyone. Everyone in effect resells Telkom Accounts, or SAIX (who owns SAIX???), or am I wrong?

No matter what though your account is gonna be shaped (unless you buy unshaped). THAT is telkom. Many people have said its due to our distance from the USA and other places that cause the large pings.. Ask one of your friends in the USA or the UK to ping a place equally far from both of you..Then do the same.. Then do the MATH, The pings we get are not due to our distance, but telkom. I've got friends in Russia that have better pings to USA servers than I do, on 56k modems! (Yes I'm a gamer, but I use less bandwidth a month than all these P2P Junkies with their Porn and illegal movies)

As to moving to another ISP (Yes I'm with Telkom) I've spent the last 13 years of my online life fighting between ISP's and Telkom, and its always the same story:
ISP: Its telkom
Telkom: Its the ISP:
ISP: Telkom is Lying
Telkom: Your ISP is Lying!
Now at least its one phone call and all I have to say is FIX IT! Also Sorry for being the pesimest, But I've been bitten one time to many. I'll wait until after August and the local capping begins before I move

3gig cap... SUCKS
ADSL line Rental ... SUCKS
People downloading 30 gigs of illegal material and complaining because they are capped.. SUCK
Telkom SUCKS...

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If I only use it for HTML and email access, sure, 3 GB per month MIGHT be enough. But if i'm a "heavy user", then 3 GB MIGHT not be enough!! It therefore makes more sense for VANS operators to provide different CAP amounts, simply because that will result in a far greater VARIETY of CAP amounts offered in the industry
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If its only HTML and email.. Get a 56k modem!... HOWEVER I agree 100% with the fact that we need Variety imposed on us at the ISP level and not at the Telecoms level, and it needs to be priced as per current international standards. That way you get what you pay for. You wanna download 40 gigs of music. Get the 40 gig account. You want to play games and need a good ping, get the 5 gig account, You wanna download your email, get the 1 gig account... None of them should be shaped though, unless you wanna pay R 80 a month for a 1 gig EMAIL only account!

Does anyone know if shaping is done anywhere else in the world?
 
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As far as I know not many places use shaping.
We pay so much for ADSL we shoould be able to download whatever we want (p2p)
 
I agree rburley. I know I've been upset at all the P2P folk lately and I know its not everyone. We live in a world where we should have the right to choose, To use what we pay for what we want to use it for.

Some of my games I play use P2P systems to update. I just get upset with people abusing an already broken system and then moaning about it and 90% of the rest of us suffering because they only give a damn about themselfs.

If we are ever going to get anything right in this country we need to unite and stand together. The few people who sit back and abuse that and make it harder for everyone, (especially when we have people like RPM and the rest here trying so hard to make it better for us all) Can kiss my hairy rear end! :mad:
 
I agree with Kalvaer. The minimum cap should be 10GB but there should be other options like 20GB, 30GB etc without the Telkom line rental.
 
MansoN said:
I suggest there shouldn't be a cap. ;p
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While I agree with that. ADSL is shared bandwidth. It is unfortunate that there are some people in this world that will abuse a system like this and spoil it for everyone. I hate the cap but With my luck, I'll end up with 49 other P2P junkies and not be able to ping myself through my own router due to lag.

Until pigs fly I dont think we will ever not have a cap... But its needs to be realistic while it is there.

As Dom said as well, Line rental must go, so must port shaping (should make all the P2P folks happy as well) Cap... well I think I'll be blue in the face from screaming, and 6 feet under before that happens. If it does go away in the next few months! I'll invite you all to watch as I eat my Keyboard
 
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I really wonder how ICASA is gonna handle this CAP issue... whichever way though, if it makes Telkom sweat with rage, then I'm all for it!!! hehe.
 
Kalvaer said:
I've got friends in Russia that have better pings to USA servers than I do, on 56k modems! (Yes I'm a gamer, but I use less bandwidth a month than all these P2P Junkies with their Porn and illegal movies)
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depends on where they are, Russia is very connected both to Asia and Europe, which in turn are very well connected to north America, we suffer in the same way most of the southern hemisphere suffers, though i don't think Australia or south America have such harsh caps, any one know about other parts of southern Africa ?


Kalvaer said:
If its only HTML and email.. Get a 56k modem!... HOWEVER I agree 100% with the fact that we need Variety imposed on us at the ISP level and not at the Telecoms level, and it needs to be priced as per current international standards. That way you get what you pay for. You wanna download 40 gigs of music. Get the 40 gig account. You want to play games and need a good ping, get the 5 gig account, You wanna download your email, get the 1 gig account... None of them should be shaped though, unless you wanna pay R 80 a month for a 1 gig EMAIL only account!

Does anyone know if shaping is done anywhere else in the world?
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if capping it has to be then i totally agree with a similar price structure, but a better plan for extra bandwidth needs to be implemented (ie not a hole new account).

shaping is done else where but it is more a requested service, it is very popular withs server farms and keen sys admins. i also believe aol do it, though i have never herd a user complain.
 
I see allot of conversation going on here regarding the cap, and telkom moaning about the fact that bandwidth is shared blah blah blah, well why the hell dont they take all this money they are making by ripping South Africans off for internet service, and put that toward another satellite or two to increase bandwidth, heck I dont mind paying good money for good bandwidth and a higher cap.
 
MansoN said:
Can ICASA handle any issue?
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Regarding this CAP issue, I think ICASA can certainly handle it. Hopefully the outcome document ICASA is going to release, based on the recent Telkom ADSL hearings, will be in the best interests of us, the consumers. I believe ICASA is attempting to do that. The only snag, OF COURSE, is whether Poison Ivy will agree with ICASA's recommendations. Sigh.
 
musan said:
depends on where they are, Russia is very connected both to Asia and Europe
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I spent 3 months with them last year doing work there.. Ekaterinburg... Close to Siberia.. In the middle of NO WHERE!. You want internet. You go the nearest Shop (even at 3:00 am in the morning) Buy a pay as you go card, same as we use for Cellular. Go back home, type in the details and your connected. ADSL Installed and running in a week. 512k service was entry level! This from a country that has only recently been allowed such types of freedom from the goverment

musan said:
shaping is done else where but it is more a requested service, it is very popular withs server farms and keen sys admins. i also believe aol do it, though i have never herd a user complain.
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That I believe is because they choose the service, they have the choice to make up their minds about what they want. You dont complain if its what you choose to have, You complain when you are forced to buy what you dont want but have no option otherwise
buster said:
I see allot of conversation going on here regarding the cap, and telkom moaning about the fact that bandwidth is shared blah blah blah, well why the hell dont they take all this money they are making by ripping South Africans off for internet service, and put that toward another satellite or two to increase bandwidth, heck I dont mind paying good money for good bandwidth and a higher cap
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If only SA worked like it does in Texas Buster then yeah.. That is what would happen. Of course I would rather go for a new Cable than Satelite. The lag from Satelite is gonna kill those of us who are ping dependant (even if with the current pings to the USA we might as well be on Satelite)
 
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min cap should start at 10gb with 192adsl.... then "rise per size" as they say
 
feverdj said:
min cap should start at 10gb with 192adsl.... then "rise per size" as they say
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I agree, the cap should double as the speed does
 
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