Summer Sno

Hmm dont know about you but if the sno is the same price as telkom and can offer the service im swapping my whole client base to them
and myself naturally :)


Thats about 500 -+ ppl
 
"I don't believe the SNO would be well advised to get into a price war. Issues around price will come up, especially in the early stages but, certainly from initial shareholder discussions, the approach will be to try to avoid any situation where there is a price war. We'd rather focus on service," he says.
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All I can say is: O.M.G :eek:
 
Hi folks

I can reiterate what Duncan wrote here. At the recent ISPA iWeek conference Angus Hay (Transtel) spoke about the SNO and broadband issues. He spoke a lot about competition, and during the Q&A session I asked him directly whether the SNO will compete aggressively on price. His response: “We do not want to get into a price war with Telkom”.

I am subsequently quite content about the recent ICASA ADSL Findings. While some people might argue that competition will solve the problem (with which I agree), the SNO will not bring effective competition. Strong regulation is therefore still needed to protect the consumer until we see effective competition (LLU, cheap SAT3 access etc.).

Regards,

RPM
 
i just don't get it. it's on record that mbeki himself is urging the introduction of SNOt as quickly as possible in order to bring down telecoms prices, at least to an acceptable level until the market is fully open. and now SNOt says they don't want to engage in a price war with telcum? wtf?
 
I don't think prices will come down in the medium term. I can however understand their reluctance at verbaly using terms like "price wars". They know that Telkom has got a lot of money to throw around. I frankly cannot see how Telkom will not undercut the SNO in the corporate environment with its secret NON DISCLOSURE clauses and all. They WILL! Nobody but the big corporates like Edgars, Woolworths, Pick & Pay and the like's management would know. The SNO will be the last one to figure out why they simply won't be able to sell to Telkom's current corporate client base.

A price war is on the cards. In the dark hallways of business HQ's and Telkom alleys. Believe me it has already started and there are companies that got some pretty good deals with Telkom already and are signed solid for the next 5 - 10 years already. The consumer will however not get a taste of this until more competitors enter the market and knowing Poison Ivy and her friends this will be the situation for quite some time to come...

One day my words will be found true.

For consumers to benefit, the only hindrence to entering the market as a telecoms competitor to Telkom and friends must be COST of entering the market and NOT LEGISLATION!
 
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And may I be as bold as to make a prediction here...

Expect the shareholding of the SNO to shift drasticly within the next 24 months. I expect a total reshuffle but to be conservative will put my money on about 2/3rds of the current shareholders to climb out completely before 24 months are up...

If the current legislation is not changed to enable the unbundling of the local loop and get the undersea cable landing points out of Telkoms filthy hands the SNO will probably fail!

The clock is ticking...
 
There are many ways to screw telscum over. The craftier one is the better. With the right teams at the SNO, Telkom will be begging for anyone's business - even poor people! (since they have disregarded them)
 
I'll bet money on Telkom fortifying its income by offering very good deals to large corporates with solid lock-in deals spanning half a decade or more! They might be out of toutch with the people but they are not stupid. They have been dodging silver bullets for years. We will beat them down eventually. The hoards always win. Ask the Romans. ;)

But for now... I am not too excited about the SNO. The whole process leaves very little to marvell about. It has been shady from the start. Delayed into infinity for who knows how long with half assed partners and cliques of people who should not be in the telecoms business in the first place. It reeks of Telkom mentality through and through.

There are just no (what I call) Glowing Heroes in that group. None! They don't inspire me...
 
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This country needs some strong regulation until there is competition. Its obvious that the SNO-job doesn't intend to compete by offering lower prices (same as CellC did) so someone's got to force the issue.

Some people wine when they hear the term regulation but its commonplace. What's not commonplace is the obvious, and now apparently never-ending, pillaging.
 
"I don't believe the SNO would be well advised to get into a price war. Issues around price will come up, especially in the early stages but, certainly from initial shareholder discussions, the approach will be to try to avoid any situation where there is a price war. We'd rather focus on service," he says.
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Well in order to get big business to move ship they will only be lured by better prices and service.
This statement above reiterates everyone's fears that the Telecoms market will end up exactly like the Cell Phone Market where the prices are determined between the three major players.

The SNO needs to be watched very carefully and the moment Telkom and SNO fall into bed together we should lay complaint after complaint at ICASA until the situation normalises. Bring the media in and make a lot of noise as well.
It is going to take consumer action to ensure a better market for us all. Government is weak with shareholder money and need to focus on what is better for the country in the long term.

And yes, un-bundle the local loop and privatise the SAT3 cable.
 
It looks like we are going to shafted by the SNO as well. F&^%#, guess we will never grow as a country until people learn to let go :mad:
 
My prediction is that its going to end up being like the cellphone cartel. The only way prices will come down is by flooding the market with operators until then regulation will be the only viable solution. The government needs to stop protecting big business and start worrying about the little guy.
 
bwana v.4 said:
This country needs some strong regulation until there is competition.
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Not true, they need it after the competition is there as well. Look at the countries in Europe: all have competition, but, all still have regulators as well. And, they are STRONG regulators. This is needed to prevent cartels from forming. Thus, the ONLY proper solution is to give ICASA real teeth...
 
ic said:
Removing the dog collar from ICASA's neck & leaving her Poisonous Ivyness without a leash to curtail ICASA will be essential, but that requires legislation changes to remove the MoC's veto powers over ICASA and its regulations...also the proposed guavamint changes to decide who gets appointed as ICASA councillors [instead of parliament] needs to be shot down with a WMD...
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ROFL - a AFRICAN government minister giving up control of something - especially a cash cow like telecommunications? Next you'll be wanting them to give up corruption and incompetence.
 
rpm said:
Hi folks

I can reiterate what Duncan wrote here. At the recent ISPA iWeek conference Angus Hay (Transtel) spoke about the SNO and broadband issues. He spoke a lot about competition, and during the Q&A session I asked him directly whether the SNO will compete aggressively on price. His response: “We do not want to get into a price war with Telkom”.

I am subsequently quite content about the recent ICASA ADSL Findings. While some people might argue that competition will solve the problem (with which I agree), the SNO will not bring effective competition. Strong regulation is therefore still needed to protect the consumer until we see effective competition (LLU, cheap SAT3 access etc.).

Regards,

RPM
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Well put, couldn't agree more
 
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