Surtie Inheritance Scam

Good day. New to this forum (as evidenced by this being my first post), but started reading this thread with interest through someone else’s profile a few days ago. This person actually contributed to what he says is the ‘official’ crowdfunding platform a few years ago. I was offered the opportunity (by him and others) to become a part of this, but I respectfully declined. I use the term ‘respectfully’ only because these are fairly good acquaintances of mine. At the risk of stirring the pot (again), I thought I’d drop my two cents in…



So yet again, there were promises of a payout coming to fruition before Christmas. This triggered copious amounts of excitement among the believers…despite the fact that merely glancing through this thread, it’s evident that these promises are/were made regularly and at very specific times of the year - presumably to appease the ‘investors’. There is no evidence to suggest that money is still being collected, but I reckon that the money that was collected in the past still needs to be addressed, since so many believers are eagerly anticipating a payout



At this point, I’d like to point out that I use the term ‘believers’ since the money was collected at churches and/or church-related events. Members of various congregations across the Western Cape (not only Cape Town) were approached to contribute with promises of ludicrous returns. One of these churches was (not so) recently involved in a forex scandal that is currently being investigated as a Ponzi scheme – trial ongoing. Not the church itself, but one or two of the pastors.



But I digress…the person whose profile I read this thread on showed me various documents in his possession. Amongst these documents was correspondence he received in a WhatsApp group in the form of letters from attorneys based in Bellville, as well as official (I checked – they are real) court judgements. Having little to no understanding of this himself, he asked me to see if I could make sense of it – presumably to ascertain whether or not a payout is feasible at this point.



What I discovered – as a complete neutral – confirmed that so many people are being taken for a ride. I’m not saying that a payout to those who contributed will NEVER transpire, but the information that they’re being updated with verbally starkly contradicts the reality of the legal process that needs to be followed. Whilst they were told last month that arrangements were being finalised for payment to proceed, the official document released on SAFLII paints an entirely different picture.



So during the course of last week, they were promised that payout will still happen before Christmas (this week). Then, earlier this week, rumblings started to grow about the court case on 23 January…



I explained to this acquaintance of mine that there is no court case as yet. The appearance on the specified date in January is merely to appeal the initial ruling that the case is not ready proceed in court until certain requirements are met. I went on to explain that if the appeal fails, and these requirements would need to be fulfilled before the PIC is asked to plead, then it’ll be a much longer wait than any of them could fathom. I cannot imagine that having legislation ruled unconstitutional would happen overnight – or come cheaply.



Interestingly (and the part that has me intrigued) is that there was a ‘Notice to Creditors’ ad placed in the government gazette on 2 December 2022 (Estate No. 5349/2011 for anybody who wants to confirm this). Now, as someone who’s been asked to serve as executor on quite a few estates in the past, I’m wondering what the point would be in placing this ad if the estate doesn’t contain anything. There exists the EXTREMELY remote possibility that this matter could have been settled out of court now that it’s gained slight media exposure in a well-known Afrikaans publication. And maybe…just MAYBE payment to these people could actually take place. One of the letters he showed me requested ‘beneficiaries’ to update their banking details. I explored the possibility of a debit order scam, but DebiCheck seems to have brought this under control somewhat.



But regardless, there are people who contributed to this (that I’m aware of) six or seven years ago. At that point, there were no actual court proceedings to fund, so why was there a need to collect money from people back then?



Is it ethical to crowdfund something like this with no reasonable hope of success, and yet promise these huge, belief-defying returns? Probably not, but I’m not in any position to judge the actions of others.



I’ve listened to voice notes, I’ve seen letters from two different law firms (how BOTH of them tie in to this matter nobody can explain effectively), and spoken to a rather large number of people who’ve contributed to this matter. With the contradicting information floating around, it’s certainly not easy to confirm whether or not these people have been scammed. Who knows? Maybe there’ll be an additional few millionaires in Cape Town in the coming weeks. Or months. Or years. Decades? One thing I noticed with more than one of these people is an almost cult-like indoctrinated belief that they’ll get paid despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I’ve actually sat someone down, shown him the court judgement, explained what it meant, then showed him the legal implications of what needs to happen etc…but all he did was give me a blank stare. I couldn’t tell if he was unable to comprehend what I’d shown him, or if he was looking at me and thinking “What a P***. You clearly don’t know anything, because that’s not what I’ve been told…”



One thing I AM able to say with much certainty is that my decision NOT to part with any of my own money all those years ago doesn’t feel particularly unjustified…
 
BusyNobody said:
Good day. New to this forum (as evidenced by this being my first post), but started reading this thread with interest through someone else’s profile a few days ago. This person actually contributed to what he says is the ‘official’ crowdfunding platform a few years ago. I was offered the opportunity (by him and others) to become a part of this, but I respectfully declined. I use the term ‘respectfully’ only because these are fairly good acquaintances of mine. At the risk of stirring the pot (again), I thought I’d drop my two cents in…



So yet again, there were promises of a payout coming to fruition before Christmas. This triggered copious amounts of excitement among the believers…despite the fact that merely glancing through this thread, it’s evident that these promises are/were made regularly and at very specific times of the year - presumably to appease the ‘investors’. There is no evidence to suggest that money is still being collected, but I reckon that the money that was collected in the past still needs to be addressed, since so many believers are eagerly anticipating a payout



At this point, I’d like to point out that I use the term ‘believers’ since the money was collected at churches and/or church-related events. Members of various congregations across the Western Cape (not only Cape Town) were approached to contribute with promises of ludicrous returns. One of these churches was (not so) recently involved in a forex scandal that is currently being investigated as a Ponzi scheme – trial ongoing. Not the church itself, but one or two of the pastors.



But I digress…the person whose profile I read this thread on showed me various documents in his possession. Amongst these documents was correspondence he received in a WhatsApp group in the form of letters from attorneys based in Bellville, as well as official (I checked – they are real) court judgements. Having little to no understanding of this himself, he asked me to see if I could make sense of it – presumably to ascertain whether or not a payout is feasible at this point.



What I discovered – as a complete neutral – confirmed that so many people are being taken for a ride. I’m not saying that a payout to those who contributed will NEVER transpire, but the information that they’re being updated with verbally starkly contradicts the reality of the legal process that needs to be followed. Whilst they were told last month that arrangements were being finalised for payment to proceed, the official document released on SAFLII paints an entirely different picture.



So during the course of last week, they were promised that payout will still happen before Christmas (this week). Then, earlier this week, rumblings started to grow about the court case on 23 January…



I explained to this acquaintance of mine that there is no court case as yet. The appearance on the specified date in January is merely to appeal the initial ruling that the case is not ready proceed in court until certain requirements are met. I went on to explain that if the appeal fails, and these requirements would need to be fulfilled before the PIC is asked to plead, then it’ll be a much longer wait than any of them could fathom. I cannot imagine that having legislation ruled unconstitutional would happen overnight – or come cheaply.



Interestingly (and the part that has me intrigued) is that there was a ‘Notice to Creditors’ ad placed in the government gazette on 2 December 2022 (Estate No. 5349/2011 for anybody who wants to confirm this). Now, as someone who’s been asked to serve as executor on quite a few estates in the past, I’m wondering what the point would be in placing this ad if the estate doesn’t contain anything. There exists the EXTREMELY remote possibility that this matter could have been settled out of court now that it’s gained slight media exposure in a well-known Afrikaans publication. And maybe…just MAYBE payment to these people could actually take place. One of the letters he showed me requested ‘beneficiaries’ to update their banking details. I explored the possibility of a debit order scam, but DebiCheck seems to have brought this under control somewhat.



But regardless, there are people who contributed to this (that I’m aware of) six or seven years ago. At that point, there were no actual court proceedings to fund, so why was there a need to collect money from people back then?



Is it ethical to crowdfund something like this with no reasonable hope of success, and yet promise these huge, belief-defying returns? Probably not, but I’m not in any position to judge the actions of others.



I’ve listened to voice notes, I’ve seen letters from two different law firms (how BOTH of them tie in to this matter nobody can explain effectively), and spoken to a rather large number of people who’ve contributed to this matter. With the contradicting information floating around, it’s certainly not easy to confirm whether or not these people have been scammed. Who knows? Maybe there’ll be an additional few millionaires in Cape Town in the coming weeks. Or months. Or years. Decades? One thing I noticed with more than one of these people is an almost cult-like indoctrinated belief that they’ll get paid despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I’ve actually sat someone down, shown him the court judgement, explained what it meant, then showed him the legal implications of what needs to happen etc…but all he did was give me a blank stare. I couldn’t tell if he was unable to comprehend what I’d shown him, or if he was looking at me and thinking “What a P***. You clearly don’t know anything, because that’s not what I’ve been told…”



One thing I AM able to say with much certainty is that my decision NOT to part with any of my own money all those years ago doesn’t feel particularly unjustified…
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Welcome to the long and winding road of the rabbit hole that is this thread!

One thing I didn't see in your very clear message (apologies if I missed it) is that you don't mention that there has been no evidence provided that the people who have done most of the collection of donations have any legal claim to the inheritance. The court case is irrelevant except as a factoid on which to hang a scam.
 
Wary GOM said:
Welcome to the long and winding road of the rabbit hole that is this thread!

One thing I didn't see in your very clear message (apologies if I missed it) is that you don't mention that there has been no evidence provided that the people who have done most of the collection of donations have any legal claim to the inheritance. The court case is irrelevant except as a factoid on which to hang a scam.
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Let me start off by saying that I have absolutely no direct involvement in this matter, but I have spent literally hours during the course of the last few weeks sifting through a seemingly endless slew of information in an effort to isolate the facts. One thing that has become reasonably clear is that neither Mr. Koorbanally nor the Surtie family are by the means to finance a legal process of this magnitude. Bear in mind that this has not been established by fact, but is merely my interpretation of what was provided for my perusal.



Now I’ve seen a video on a private individual’s Facebook account of Mr. Koorbanally addressing one of the churches that I’m aware was collecting money for this crowdfunding venture. At no point during this 30 minute video did he request funding in any form – he spent the entire time giving his account of the ‘facts’. A lot of this was conjecture - and specifically a lot of allegations. I cannot class these allegations as baseless, since he hasn’t been granted the opportunity to prove them in a court of law. For the amount of (let’s call it) noise he’s been making regarding this case in the form of ‘open letters’ etc, I sincerely hope for his (and the Surtie family’s) sake that he is able to provide substantive proof to back up these allegations.



Anyway, considering the fact that they seemingly lack the funds to pursue the legal avenues at their disposal, the crowdfunding initiative seem plausible. I’ve also been shown the mandate that was granted to Mr. Koorbanally authorising him to claim these funds on behalf of the Surtie family. Since I’m no expert in this field, I cannot verify its authenticity. BUT based on the the date that it was signed, and the quality of the copiers/scanners at the time, it would appear that if it is a forgery, then it’s a darn good one. Also, this mandate was submitted to the High Court (twice), and I doubt that any sane person would do so in a case of this magnitude.



This mandate states that in exchange for acting as an agent for the family, he is entitled to 20% of everything he manages to recoup. I’m using this word because at no point was there any denial from either of the defendants that the money does not belong to the Surtie family. The judge at the Pretoria High Court pointed this out in the judgement published on SAFLII.



So, this is where I get to respond to your comment, and say that I don’t entirely agree with you: since he’s directly affiliated to at least SOME of the churches collecting money to finance the court case, it’s reasonable to assume that he has some sort of agreement in place with THESE churches. Whether he honours or reneges on this agreement is another matter entirely, BUT 20% of R1,35 TRILLION is quite a sum of money, and (if the legal proceedings are successful) the honourable thing to do would be to pay the ‘beneficiaries’ whatever he promised them.



Apparently, a complete record has been kept of every individual who contributed to these proceedings, and the ‘official’ list contains 5 000 names. I’m assuming that not all of the contributions were in the same increments, but even so R270 billion split between the official agent and 5 000 others is…well…do the math…



However, as is human nature, I’m relatively confident that there are several instances of churches/pastors jumping on the bandwagon and opportunistically collecting money to line their own pockets. I cannot speculate how many people (and even contributors to this thread) have been duped by these conmen, but I’m half certain that there’s a fair amount of them.



In conclusion, I’m prepared to state again that it would be reasonable to assume there are at least a few people who could stand to benefit financially if the Surtie family are successful in their attempt to reclaim their inheritance
 
BusyNobody said:
Let me start off by saying that I have absolutely no direct involvement in this matter, but I have spent literally hours during the course of the last few weeks sifting through a seemingly endless slew of information in an effort to isolate the facts. One thing that has become reasonably clear is that neither Mr. Koorbanally nor the Surtie family are by the means to finance a legal process of this magnitude. Bear in mind that this has not been established by fact, but is merely my interpretation of what was provided for my perusal.



Now I’ve seen a video on a private individual’s Facebook account of Mr. Koorbanally addressing one of the churches that I’m aware was collecting money for this crowdfunding venture. At no point during this 30 minute video did he request funding in any form – he spent the entire time giving his account of the ‘facts’. A lot of this was conjecture - and specifically a lot of allegations. I cannot class these allegations as baseless, since he hasn’t been granted the opportunity to prove them in a court of law. For the amount of (let’s call it) noise he’s been making regarding this case in the form of ‘open letters’ etc, I sincerely hope for his (and the Surtie family’s) sake that he is able to provide substantive proof to back up these allegations.



Anyway, considering the fact that they seemingly lack the funds to pursue the legal avenues at their disposal, the crowdfunding initiative seem plausible. I’ve also been shown the mandate that was granted to Mr. Koorbanally authorising him to claim these funds on behalf of the Surtie family. Since I’m no expert in this field, I cannot verify its authenticity. BUT based on the the date that it was signed, and the quality of the copiers/scanners at the time, it would appear that if it is a forgery, then it’s a darn good one. Also, this mandate was submitted to the High Court (twice), and I doubt that any sane person would do so in a case of this magnitude.



This mandate states that in exchange for acting as an agent for the family, he is entitled to 20% of everything he manages to recoup. I’m using this word because at no point was there any denial from either of the defendants that the money does not belong to the Surtie family. The judge at the Pretoria High Court pointed this out in the judgement published on SAFLII.



So, this is where I get to respond to your comment, and say that I don’t entirely agree with you: since he’s directly affiliated to at least SOME of the churches collecting money to finance the court case, it’s reasonable to assume that he has some sort of agreement in place with THESE churches. Whether he honours or reneges on this agreement is another matter entirely, BUT 20% of R1,35 TRILLION is quite a sum of money, and (if the legal proceedings are successful) the honourable thing to do would be to pay the ‘beneficiaries’ whatever he promised them.



Apparently, a complete record has been kept of every individual who contributed to these proceedings, and the ‘official’ list contains 5 000 names. I’m assuming that not all of the contributions were in the same increments, but even so R270 billion split between the official agent and 5 000 others is…well…do the math…



However, as is human nature, I’m relatively confident that there are several instances of churches/pastors jumping on the bandwagon and opportunistically collecting money to line their own pockets. I cannot speculate how many people (and even contributors to this thread) have been duped by these conmen, but I’m half certain that there’s a fair amount of them.



In conclusion, I’m prepared to state again that it would be reasonable to assume there are at least a few people who could stand to benefit financially if the Surtie family are successful in their attempt to reclaim their inheritance
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Let me start off by wishing everyone a blessed Christmas and a Surtie New Year!

Welcome Mr. Nobody to the thread, I see your spaces between your paragraphs are quite large as well as your replies, and it suggests 2 things ie.

1) You clearly new to such a platform and using a computer/laptop, that indicates that you well in your age and probably a good standing citizen that is attempting to become now digital super hero!

2) The content is riddled with speculative commentary based on your own research but proves that you hitting above your pay grade in respect of 1st hand information and documentation.

I'm glad you did not contribute towards this cause as you clearly would not handle the millions we getting as well as the upgraded lifestyle.



Blessed Christmas
Surtie Millionare
 
Surtie Millionaire said:
Let me start off by wishing everyone a blessed Christmas and a Surtie New Year!

Welcome Mr. Nobody to the thread, I see your spaces between your paragraphs are quite large as well as your replies, and it suggests 2 things ie.

1) You clearly new to such a platform and using a computer/laptop, that indicates that you well in your age and probably a good standing citizen that is attempting to become now digital super hero!

2) The content is riddled with speculative commentary based on your own research but proves that you hitting above your pay grade in respect of 1st hand information and documentation.

I'm glad you did not contribute towards this cause as you clearly would not handle the millions we getting as well as the upgraded lifestyle.



Blessed Christmas
Surtie Millionare
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Thank you for you for your input, Surtie MillioNIL! I intentionally made liberal uses of spacing in order for my message to remain lucid, and not appear grammar-deficient and thereby incomprehensible. The problem I had with most of this thread is deciphering the drivel offered by so many contributors on this thread. In response to your two unprovoked allegations:



1.) I am new to THIS platform. And only in the sense of contributing to it. Based on your lack of understanding regarding the protocol on platforms like these (as evidenced throughout this thread)…well, if you had any sense you would understand the need for you to keep your reservations in this regard to yourself.



2.) Let’s start with the pay grade comment. Until now, NONE of the ‘beneficiaries’ in this matter have received a single cent. So such a thing does not exist. I am actually a lot closer to the heart of this issue than you could imagine. However, unlike you, I chose not to trust the ‘1st hand’ information you have succumbed to. I’ve drawn the conclusion that persons verbally delivering this information either don’t understand the contents (and/or implications) of the documentation, or are intentionally and blatantly lying to the hundreds/thousands of people who have donated their hard-earned money to this matter in good faith.



Whether or not I have contributed my own money to this thing is completely irrelevant. I am a complete neutral here. I do not completely agree with either of the opposing factions in this thread. I am willing to concede that both sides of the debate/argument/whateveryouchoosetocallit (see? I can also neglect grammar if I choose to) have their merits. However, on the one hand, there are people who were not exposed to the information and documentation presented to me, and therefore consider it a scam (and rightly so). On the other hand, there are people like you who have put their faith blindly into receiving a x xxx% return on money they believe that they’ve invested. Now I’m not saying (yet again) that you WON’T get paid, but you’re harping on about money that you feel is DUE to you, yet you’ve not really earned.



Take a few minutes and google (yes, YOU can be the digital super hero now) how many lottery millionaires go bankrupt and own even less than they did before just a few years after their winnings. There was no fair exchange in this transaction, and therefore it’s unbalanced.



So for YOUR sake, and so many others on here, I sincerely hope that YOU can handle the millions you (there goes that grammar thing again) can handle, and that your ‘upgraded lifestyle’ lasts longer than this thread has…
 
With my best wishes for whatever form of Christmas you celebrate and fervent hopes that everyone stays safe.
 
BusyNobody said:
2.) Let’s start with the pay grade comment. Until now, NONE of the ‘beneficiaries’ in this matter have received a single cent. So such a thing does not exist. I am actually a lot closer to the heart of this issue than you could imagine. However, unlike you, I chose not to trust the ‘1st hand’ information you have succumbed to. I’ve drawn the conclusion that persons verbally delivering this information either don’t understand the contents (and/or implications) of the documentation, or are intentionally and blatantly lying to the hundreds/thousands of people who have donated their hard-earned money to this matter in good faith.
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Pastoor Johann?
 
BusyNobody said:
Take a few minutes and google (yes, YOU can be the digital super hero now) how many lottery millionaires go bankrupt and own even less than they did before just a few years after their winnings. There was no fair exchange in this transaction, and therefore it’s unbalanced.



So for YOUR sake, and so many others on here, I sincerely hope that YOU can handle the millions you (there goes that grammar thing again) can handle, and that your ‘upgraded lifestyle’ lasts longer than this thread has…
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Lol he ain’t getting ****.
 
Tman* said:
Pastoor Johann?
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Hehehe…clever! But no…real people actually.

For the sake of my continued anonymity, what I posted is about as much as I’m willing to say on a public platform such as this…
 
Bill Clitnon said:
Lol he ain’t getting ****.
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Well, as mentioned in a previous post, there are quite a few people who stand to benefit financially if the pursuit of this matter ends in success for the Surtie family. If it should happen this way, it still wouldn’t be possible to place a timeline on any payout. If no out of court settlement is reached in the foreseeable future, it’ll be a LOOOOOOONG wait.

And who knows? It’s possible that someone like MillioNIL might be one of those recipients. It’s also plausible (based on what I’ve read on this thread) that he might be one of the plethora of ‘investors’ or ‘beneficiaries’ as they prefer to be known that was duped by so many of these ‘vondsinsamelaars’ splattered across the Cape Flats who have no direct affiliation to the actual legal claim being pursued.

So in that sense, I tend to agree with your quip…
 
BusyNobody said:
Good day. New to this forum (as evidenced by this being my first post), but started reading this thread with interest through someone else’s profile a few days ago. This person actually contributed to what he says is the ‘official’ crowdfunding platform a few years ago. I was offered the opportunity (by him and others) to become a part of this, but I respectfully declined. I use the term ‘respectfully’ only because these are fairly good acquaintances of mine. At the risk of stirring the pot (again), I thought I’d drop my two cents in…



So yet again, there were promises of a payout coming to fruition before Christmas. This triggered copious amounts of excitement among the believers…despite the fact that merely glancing through this thread, it’s evident that these promises are/were made regularly and at very specific times of the year - presumably to appease the ‘investors’. There is no evidence to suggest that money is still being collected, but I reckon that the money that was collected in the past still needs to be addressed, since so many believers are eagerly anticipating a payout



At this point, I’d like to point out that I use the term ‘believers’ since the money was collected at churches and/or church-related events. Members of various congregations across the Western Cape (not only Cape Town) were approached to contribute with promises of ludicrous returns. One of these churches was (not so) recently involved in a forex scandal that is currently being investigated as a Ponzi scheme – trial ongoing. Not the church itself, but one or two of the pastors.



But I digress…the person whose profile I read this thread on showed me various documents in his possession. Amongst these documents was correspondence he received in a WhatsApp group in the form of letters from attorneys based in Bellville, as well as official (I checked – they are real) court judgements. Having little to no understanding of this himself, he asked me to see if I could make sense of it – presumably to ascertain whether or not a payout is feasible at this point.



What I discovered – as a complete neutral – confirmed that so many people are being taken for a ride. I’m not saying that a payout to those who contributed will NEVER transpire, but the information that they’re being updated with verbally starkly contradicts the reality of the legal process that needs to be followed. Whilst they were told last month that arrangements were being finalised for payment to proceed, the official document released on SAFLII paints an entirely different picture.



So during the course of last week, they were promised that payout will still happen before Christmas (this week). Then, earlier this week, rumblings started to grow about the court case on 23 January…



I explained to this acquaintance of mine that there is no court case as yet. The appearance on the specified date in January is merely to appeal the initial ruling that the case is not ready proceed in court until certain requirements are met. I went on to explain that if the appeal fails, and these requirements would need to be fulfilled before the PIC is asked to plead, then it’ll be a much longer wait than any of them could fathom. I cannot imagine that having legislation ruled unconstitutional would happen overnight – or come cheaply.



Interestingly (and the part that has me intrigued) is that there was a ‘Notice to Creditors’ ad placed in the government gazette on 2 December 2022 (Estate No. 5349/2011 for anybody who wants to confirm this). Now, as someone who’s been asked to serve as executor on quite a few estates in the past, I’m wondering what the point would be in placing this ad if the estate doesn’t contain anything. There exists the EXTREMELY remote possibility that this matter could have been settled out of court now that it’s gained slight media exposure in a well-known Afrikaans publication. And maybe…just MAYBE payment to these people could actually take place. One of the letters he showed me requested ‘beneficiaries’ to update their banking details. I explored the possibility of a debit order scam, but DebiCheck seems to have brought this under control somewhat.



But regardless, there are people who contributed to this (that I’m aware of) six or seven years ago. At that point, there were no actual court proceedings to fund, so why was there a need to collect money from people back then?



Is it ethical to crowdfund something like this with no reasonable hope of success, and yet promise these huge, belief-defying returns? Probably not, but I’m not in any position to judge the actions of others.



I’ve listened to voice notes, I’ve seen letters from two different law firms (how BOTH of them tie in to this matter nobody can explain effectively), and spoken to a rather large number of people who’ve contributed to this matter. With the contradicting information floating around, it’s certainly not easy to confirm whether or not these people have been scammed. Who knows? Maybe there’ll be an additional few millionaires in Cape Town in the coming weeks. Or months. Or years. Decades? One thing I noticed with more than one of these people is an almost cult-like indoctrinated belief that they’ll get paid despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I’ve actually sat someone down, shown him the court judgement, explained what it meant, then showed him the legal implications of what needs to happen etc…but all he did was give me a blank stare. I couldn’t tell if he was unable to comprehend what I’d shown him, or if he was looking at me and thinking “What a P***. You clearly don’t know anything, because that’s not what I’ve been told…”



One thing I AM able to say with much certainty is that my decision NOT to part with any of my own money all those years ago doesn’t feel particularly unjustified…
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Bullsh##. This entire scam is all bullsh##. You went too far into the bullsh##. Scammers lured people into an complex court case, big numbers convinced people it might be real, the dumb ones fell for it.

Bull. Sh##.
 
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