Surtie Inheritance Scam

I just wonder what the end game is here?
No more money is requested or asked from anyone to "invest"...
ABSA apparently settled out of court (not PIC yet) AND they say they paid over the money, now it's just a matter of ways in which they can pay the money over without the banks freezing it due to the large amounts, and they have to FICA it (which they have had to do a long time ago, it is not something new) etc etc....

Like where does it end.
 
Just No Name ;) said:
I just wonder what the end game is here?
No more money is requested or asked from anyone to "invest"...
ABSA apparently settled out of court (not PIC yet) AND they say they paid over the money, now it's just a matter of ways in which they can pay the money over without the banks freezing it due to the large amounts, and they have to FICA it (which they have had to do a long time ago, it is not something new) etc etc....

Like where does it end.
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You also completely miss the fact that any settlement was with the claimants, not the thousands of duped hangers-on who were sucked into donating money. It ends in tears.
 
Just No Name ;) said:
I just wonder what the end game is here?
No more money is requested or asked from anyone to "invest"...
ABSA apparently settled out of court (not PIC yet) AND they say they paid over the money, now it's just a matter of ways in which they can pay the money over without the banks freezing it due to the large amounts, and they have to FICA it (which they have had to do a long time ago, it is not something new) etc etc....

Like where does it end.
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Let's try and break this down for you...

Just No Name ;) said:
I just wonder what the end game is here?
No more money is requested or asked from anyone to "invest"...
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Oh, there are still people collecting money. People were being approached to 'invest' as recently as March 2023. I doubt that this practice has come to an end. I'm left wondering as to how these scammers plan to get away with collecting money indefinitely...

Just No Name ;) said:
ABSA apparently settled out of court (not PIC yet)
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According to court documentation, only ONE claim was instituted. This was against the PIC. ABSA was named as a second respondent because the money is/was allegedly held in ABSA accounts. On what basis could ABSA possibly have settled anything?

Just No Name ;) said:
AND they say they paid over the money,
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Did whoever told you this provide any proof?

Just No Name ;) said:
now it's just a matter of ways in which they can pay the money over without the banks freezing it due to the large amounts,
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Banks cannot freeze your account due to a large amount. They can suspend your account on a suspicion of illegal activities. But they cannot do so indefinitely. If the money is from a legitimate source, all you'll need to do is provide reasonable proof that the money does not come from an illegal source, and you'll have access to your account.

Just No Name ;) said:
and they have to FICA it (which they have had to do a long time ago, it is not something new) etc etc....
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Is whoever 'they' is an accountable institution? If not, there is no reason to follow the FIC protocol when making payments

Just No Name ;) said:
Like where does it end.
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Based on the contents of this post, not in a good space...
 
Just No Name ;) said:
I just wonder what the end game is here?
No more money is requested or asked from anyone to "invest"...
ABSA apparently settled out of court (not PIC yet) AND they say they paid over the money, now it's just a matter of ways in which they can pay the money over without the banks freezing it due to the large amounts, and they have to FICA it (which they have had to do a long time ago, it is not something new) etc etc....

Like where does it end.
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Have you or any of those claiming money based on their "investments" to gain payments from the Surtie beneficiaries taken any note of the following from the Ex Parte - Surtie judgement?

ABSA did not settle out of court - they had nothing to settle about and had no alternative but to hand the bank account contents to the Sheriff of the Court. The money and all documents relating to the accounts were to be seized from the accounts, not from ABSA. These accounts were held by Abdurehman McSherry and Noor Mohamed Holdings (Pty) Ltd in ABSA . There is absolutely nothing here concerning the PIC or even directly tied to the PIC. So the billions, trillions or quadrillions supposedly in the form of the Bonds or investments therefrom by PIC have certainly not been paid out. Any settlement will have to come from the PIC and possibly involving action by the Miniter of Finance.

My interpretation of the Ex Parte court action has been and still is that it relates to another Surtie matter which was first reported some years ago wherein there were conflicts over which family members were really entitled to the estate.
 
Wary GOM said:
Have you or any of those claiming money based on their "investments" to gain payments from the Surtie beneficiaries taken any note of the following from the Ex Parte - Surtie judgement?

ABSA did not settle out of court - they had nothing to settle about and had no alternative but to hand the bank account contents to the Sheriff of the Court. The money and all documents relating to the accounts were to be seized from the accounts, not from ABSA. These accounts were held by Abdurehman McSherry and Noor Mohamed Holdings (Pty) Ltd in ABSA . There is absolutely nothing here concerning the PIC or even directly tied to the PIC. So the billions, trillions or quadrillions supposedly in the form of the Bonds or investments therefrom by PIC have certainly not been paid out. Any settlement will have to come from the PIC and possibly involving action by the Miniter of Finance.

My interpretation of the Ex Parte court action has been and still is that it relates to another Surtie matter which was first reported some years ago wherein there were conflicts over which family members were really entitled to the estate.
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Just as a reminder, I’m attaching a copy of the interim court order that you’re referring to.

There was money found in those accounts, but not nearly enough to pay out everything that was promised to approximately 5 000 people. There was probably only enough for each one of those people to receive five figure sums. None of the recipients would be even close to becoming millionaires. At least, this is the information that I was provided with.

With regards to the case against the PIC, there has been no clear indication that it has been settled, nor has it even been hinted at that there exists a certainty that the matter will even be heard. At present, there is a judgement pending that stems from an appeal by the estate against the PIC’s exceptions that were upheld in October last year. My personal opinion (which doesn’t carry any weight in these matters) is that they should never have been upheld. Only if the appeal is upheld will this matter go to trial.

Interestingly (for me at least) is that the judgement was delivered by an acting judge whose application to join the bench on a permanent basis was unsuccessful. This is not the forum, and it is not my place to discuss nor disclose the probable reasons why the application was denied, but (again in my opinion), it aligns relatively well with the judgement and the reasons for the appeal that ensued. Also interesting to note is that most of the judgements in the North Gauteng High Court that have been uploaded to SAFLII in recent weeks are for matters that were heard after the Surtie estate’s appeal against the initial judgement. High Court judges have been given a directive to deliver judgements within three months after the matter has been presented in court. This is one of the very few that will (seemingly) utilise the full three month period.

My somewhat limited knowledge of the legal system has led me to believe that if this matter should go to trial with all the evidence/information that the legal team allegedly has at its disposal, then they should be able to argue a fairly decent case. And if the information shared with me is accurate, then quite a few influential people could be implicated in a negative way.

This in itself is plausibly why the probability of a settlement being reached before arguments in this matter are heard at trial stage is not as low as some might think.

I don’t have sufficient knowledge of the reasons that led to the ex parte application, but the court ruled that the money in those accounts should have been paid over to the estate, and subsequently ordered ABSA to do so.

In any event, with all the secrecy that the facts in this matter are shrouded in, the only way that any person not directly involved in the dealings/negotiations (or whatever the correct term might be) could gain any insight into this matter would be to read the court judgement for themselves. At least that’s what I’ll be doing…
 

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BusyNobody said:
Just as a reminder, I’m attaching a copy of the interim court order that you’re referring to.

There was money found in those accounts, but not nearly enough to pay out everything that was promised to approximately 5 000 people. There was probably only enough for each one of those people to receive five figure sums. None of the recipients would be even close to becoming millionaires. At least, this is the information that I was provided with.

With regards to the case against the PIC, there has been no clear indication that it has been settled, nor has it even been hinted at that there exists a certainty that the matter will even be heard. At present, there is a judgement pending that stems from an appeal by the estate against the PIC’s exceptions that were upheld in October last year. My personal opinion (which doesn’t carry any weight in these matters) is that they should never have been upheld. Only if the appeal is upheld will this matter go to trial.

Interestingly (for me at least) is that the judgement was delivered by an acting judge whose application to join the bench on a permanent basis was unsuccessful. This is not the forum, and it is not my place to discuss nor disclose the probable reasons why the application was denied, but (again in my opinion), it aligns relatively well with the judgement and the reasons for the appeal that ensued. Also interesting to note is that most of the judgements in the North Gauteng High Court that have been uploaded to SAFLII in recent weeks are for matters that were heard after the Surtie estate’s appeal against the initial judgement. High Court judges have been given a directive to deliver judgements within three months after the matter has been presented in court. This is one of the very few that will (seemingly) utilise the full three month period.

My somewhat limited knowledge of the legal system has led me to believe that if this matter should go to trial with all the evidence/information that the legal team allegedly has at its disposal, then they should be able to argue a fairly decent case. And if the information shared with me is accurate, then quite a few influential people could be implicated in a negative way.

This in itself is plausibly why the probability of a settlement being reached before arguments in this matter are heard at trial stage is not as low as some might think.

I don’t have sufficient knowledge of the reasons that led to the ex parte application, but the court ruled that the money in those accounts should have been paid over to the estate, and subsequently ordered ABSA to do so.

In any event, with all the secrecy that the facts in this matter are shrouded in, the only way that any person not directly involved in the dealings/negotiations (or whatever the correct term might be) could gain any insight into this matter would be to read the court judgement for themselves. At least that’s what I’ll be doing…
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You seem to know a lot more than the average fellow. And so you have probably read the particulars of claim for the 1.35 trillion.

What about the Surtie papers and supporting evidence leads you to believe that they have a good case?
 
Get ready, get ready, get ready!

Until this day no one has sent their emails for the Vouchers.

When my money arrives monthend then I want to be a blessing to all those doubters.

Blessed to be a blessing.
 
Surtie Millionaire said:
Get ready, get ready, get ready!

Until this day no one has sent their emails for the Vouchers.

When my money arrives monthend then I want to be a blessing to all those doubters.

Blessed to be a blessing.
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I didn't wanted to laugh so hard, now you just like to make a fool of yourself publicly...

Please have little respect for urself, don't give poeple emo to insult you.

By keep posting this lie.
 
Eti1 said:
You seem to know a lot more than the average fellow. And so you have probably read the particulars of claim for the 1.35 trillion.

What about the Surtie papers and supporting evidence leads you to believe that they have a good case?
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What I find so amusing is that so many of the people who shared with me that they put money into this thing are not even interested in these proceedings any longer. They’ve been told on numerous occasions to expect the money ‘soon’ and yet this payment still hasn’t materialised.

As far as my knowledge regarding this case, I don’t feel that a public forum is the correct platform to discuss the details of a court matter such as this. Nor do I feel it to be a suitable platform to disclose information that was disclosed to me in confidence.

Unlike so many other contributors to this thread, I’m really not trying to boost my ego by pretending to have privileged information. I apologise in advance if it comes across that way. This is definitely not my intention. But I really don’t feel comfortable sharing information that is not mine to share.

I do however object to the false information being distributed amongst people who’ve been promised that they’ll get paid ‘soon’. This ‘soon’ has been dragging on for an eternity now, and I wish these agitators and scammers like SurtieMillioNIL would just stop.

As mentioned in my previous post, I’ll be keeping an eye on the SAFLII website to see if/when the judgement is uploaded. Obviously, no judgement will be uploaded if this matter ends up being settled out of court.
 
blackcobra said:
I didn't wanted to laugh so hard, now you just like to make a fool of yourself publicly...

Please have little respect for urself, don't give poeple emo to insult you.

By keep posting this lie.
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He’s not making a fool of himself. He’s trying to delay the people he’s scammed from coming after him:ROFL:
 
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This is a trolling thread right?

If you taking me serious then you a dolt!

Just enjoy the entertainment please lol

Get ready!!!
 
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