arf9999
MyBroadband Member
Agreed, see my post above yours.
I doubt that you'd get 10l/100km with a 2.5 litre boxer in Jo'burg traffic
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Not sure that will work in SA...people here buy cars as status symbols and are prepared to pay more ... so you wont find people buying cheaper cars but rather spending less on other things such as food, housing and education in order to buy "that" car....
LancelotSA
Banned
You seem to think you are quite an expert at deciphering the English language yet you miss the small things. If I was so "self righteous" and "holier than though" then can you explain the following sentence (note the parts in bold?):
A self righteous, holier than though person would surely have used the word "you" instead of "we" and "you" instead of "us"? We/us includes me in the guilty parties.
If you are going to be so argumentative then perhaps you'd do well to focus on the entire post and not just the part that suits your needs!
davemc
Executive Member
There is a completely different way to handle this problem:
Drop the tax on efficient vehicles to zero.
Now, why would government, who profess to be introducing this TAX for environmental reasons not go for such a fantastic win-win plan?
Drop the tax on efficient vehicles to zero.
Now, why would government, who profess to be introducing this TAX for environmental reasons not go for such a fantastic win-win plan?
Agreed, see my post above yours.
I doubt that you'd get 10l/100km with a 2.5 litre boxer in Jo'burg traffic
Yep, he'd be surprised. My 1.8 GSi gets around 10-12L/100km in stop-start traffic (
) but 6.3L/100km on the open road, with A/C on. Quite a difference.
LancelotSA
Banned
I assume you are talking about all taxes as there is no emissions tax if it is below 120g
Fazda
Honorary Master
Agreed, see my post above yours.
I doubt that you'd get 10l/100km with a 2.5 litre boxer in Jo'burg traffic
Sorry, you are wrong. Got 9.4 in Joburg last week. In 14000 km in my Subarus, my worst consumption ever was 9.8 and that was in the 3.0 litre that I sold. The 2.5 constantly delivers between 7.3 and 8.5 no matter where I drive.
FatBoySlim
Expert Member
world cup is over, so the amount of threads have dwindled, besides some of us have work to do
Difference in the UK is that public transport is a viable alternative.
You have a choice, get a car and pay the tax or take reliable, safe public transport.
The same cannot be said for South Africa.
porchrat
Honorary Master
What I don't get about this tax is that apparently it isn't being enforced on vehicles that are being exported. Only those sold locally. So basically only the vehicles that stay in South Africa emit carbon while those being exported clearly will never emit carbon once they cross our borders. Makes perfect sense.
What doesnt make sense?
These exported vehicles will fall under the regulations of the country where they're actually being used.
porchrat
Honorary Master
What doesnt make sense?
These exported vehicles will fall under the regulations of the country where they're actually being used.
But we're not taxing usage we're taxing engine size. If we were actually taxing usage it would make perfect sense.
AFAIK it's a vehicle emissions tax and nothing is being emitted in SA, right?
porchrat
Honorary Master
Don't get me wrong. I don't drive a big car. I drive a small car. In fact I will probably always drive a small car because I just prefer to keep my costs down.
I just don't see the point in taxing engine size and calling the tax a carbon or emissions tax. That isn't what it is. It's an engine size tax. A car with a massive engine that is used less than a car with a small engine is going to emit less carbon over it's lifetime. If you really want to create a carbon or emissions tax then find a way to tax usage.
I just don't see the point in taxing engine size and calling the tax a carbon or emissions tax. That isn't what it is. It's an engine size tax. A car with a massive engine that is used less than a car with a small engine is going to emit less carbon over it's lifetime. If you really want to create a carbon or emissions tax then find a way to tax usage.
porchrat
Honorary Master
It isn't a vehicle emissions tax it is an engine size tax. There is a difference. (see above post)
I just dont see why you'd expect it to be applied to vehicles destined for export use only. We dont have to pay European taxes on vehicles imported into SA do we?
porchrat
Honorary Master
We don't but the manufacturer should. After all isn't carbon being emitted to produce the vehicle? Shouldn't that be taxed as well?
Remember this isn't an emissions tax. It is actually an engine size tax. Engine size is not necessarily directly linked to emissions.
I do see your point though.
To me all this tax is going to do is make South Africa's already aging motor fleets age even more. The end result of this may end up being a rise in emissions as people hang on to their old gas-guzzling vehicles for longer.
You want to control emissions properly then tax petrol. You know... the stuff that actually directly results in carbon emission. Tax usage not engine size.
Mike Hoxbig
Honorary Master
From what I can tell, it won't be usage based so it wouldn't make sense to sell.
The tax will be built into the purchase price of the vehicle, meaning yet higher prices for new vehicles.
Personally I wish they'd deal with the high prices of new vehicles first, before introducing this tax.