Taxis and your passengers

SauRoNZA said:
But is that because of all the fear mongering or a very real threat?

That does fall exactly in the target of competition I expect them to pursue, not a family driving around on the weekends.
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True, I posted before reading the rest of this thread.

It happens but FB stories are exaggerated.
 
my alt account said:
Dude, I'm a taxi owner myself. And part time driver.
I couldn't agree more. The thing is, most people screaming about what they are doing, has not taken the time to investigate their argument. It is not clear cut, because laws tend to be open to interpretation, but the question remains... Are they totally wrong to try and defend their business?
The how, is still unlawful.
Do you know how frustrating it is to know that you've reported a pirate, but enforcement does nothing? I've sent pics, videos, text confessions of paying passengers. Yet they still operate. Some of us still do things the legal way, but what if the law don't offer any protection? Why must I do a bi-annual roadworthy? PrDP? Association fees? Yet you go out, buy an Avanza, and do as you please?
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I think we agree on most points, the most important being that taxi drivers/bosses are not law enforcement, so while an argument ca be made that they are entitled to 'protect' their business, there is just about zero argument for how they are going about it. Having said that, like I and you have said, law enforcement in general in Africa is abysmal, your story about reporting 'operators' that need to be investigated yet nothing is done, proves this. Good luck with your business though, I cannot imagine how tough it must be...
 
my alt account said:
Company driver as in runner, deliveries?
Does the vehicle have a permit to transport people?

That is where the issue lies. The commercial transport of people.
He's employed as a driver. Driving is his job. If transporting people is part of his job description, the vehicle must have a permit.
The "mafia" will try to bully and intimidate, but if permit is in place, he's totally legal.

English is not my first language, I might not convey things properly.
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HUH? I don't have a permit but drive my family and friends all over the place. The company vehicle is an old Honda sedan.
 
No this is Patrick said:
Why are you trying to compare the general law abiding public with taxi drivers who think they own the roads?
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Dude. The NLTA.
And why are we shooting the messenger?
I don't think I own the road. My vehicles are legal and all documents in place.
I change indicator bulbs monthly.
 
Neuk_ said:
I think we agree on most points, the most important being that taxi drivers/bosses are not law enforcement, so while an argument ca be made that they are entitled to 'protect' their business, there is just about zero argument for how they are going about it. Having said that, like I and you have said, law enforcement in general in Africa is abysmal, your story about reporting 'operators' that need to be investigated yet nothing is done, proves this. Good luck with your business though, I cannot imagine how tough it must be...
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Exactly @Neuk_
Btw, you "know" me from cartoday/carforums... I'm just not gonna doxx myself here.
 
my alt account said:
Ai, please fight the minister on that.
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What? The minister is not involved here. You said that lift clubs must be registered and then "proved" it with something that says the minister MAY make regulations to regulate lift clubs. So show us the regulations
 
ghaye said:
What? The minister is not involved here. You said that lift clubs must be registered and then "proved" it with something that says the minister MAY make regulations to regulate lift clubs. So show us the regulations
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Dude. You're arguing for the sake.


That is the NLTA. Ek het dit nie geskryf nie. Contact the Provincial Regulating Authority.
I don't need to prove anything. I do not condone the violence/threats. All I was doing was trying to shed light on the associations thinking. I was a victim of that, and through klomp talks and discussions, I now kinda understand where they come from.

Moer weg jou pitchfork asb.
 
my alt account said:
Dude. You're arguing for the sake.


That is the NLTA. Ek het dit nie geskryf nie. Contact the Provincial Regulating Authority.
I don't need to prove anything. I do not condone the violence/threats. All I was doing was trying to shed light on the associations thinking. I was a victim of that, and through klomp talks and discussions, I now kinda understand where they come from.

Moer weg jou pitchfork asb.
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I didn't say you wrote the legislation (in fact nobody has). But YOU wrote that lift clubs must be registered. My reading of the bit you posted was that the minister has the authority to (at some point in time) produce regulations to control lift clubs. The next problem is of course to see what their definition of a lift club is.

I have no pitchfork anywhere near me. But your comment re the registering a lift club also falls under the fearmongering classification.
 
ghaye said:
I didn't say you wrote the legislation (in fact nobody has). But YOU wrote that lift clubs must be registered. My reading of the bit you posted was that the minister has the authority to (at some point in time) produce regulations to control lift clubs. The next problem is of course to see what their definition of a lift club is.

I have no pitchfork anywhere near me. But your comment re the registering a lift club also falls under the fearmongering classification.
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Okay. You win. I was paraphrasing from NLTA. Ek was verkeerd. Not my first language, so ek kan dinge verkeerd kry.

I did however post the definition of lift club. Also from the NLTA.
You're gonna search until you're blue. You'll find nothing definitive. I've been down this road with my local association.

The NLTA and their interpretation thereof is what the associations base their arguments on. So as long as you're not proving them "wrong", you're up a creek. Cleva guys.
The government has allowed the industry to get too big. As they now dictate to Govt.
 
Without doing anything, simply put on your "logic hat" means:

FB stories = exaggeration, often a moerse lot.

Then take it from there & investigate, fact check.

We're not in 2010 era anymore.

This is/should be the rule of thumb.
 
my alt account said:
They hide behind the ambiguous laws. But also, lift clubs need to be registered. Does the public do that?

Edit... Ignorantly, I was arguing these same kinda things long before.
Read the NLTA first. Most of the guys in top positions in associations have a fair grasp of the NLTA. This is what they base their argument on.
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Those excerpts leave too much open to interpretation.

3 co-workers deciding on their own to ride together is not the same "lift club" as a company facilitated transport.
Shared excerpt is referring to companies, not individuals.

Not a law enforcement agency, have no right to interfere with private citizens or attempt to enforce any laws.
Infringing on private citizens freedom of movement and association to "protect" an industry.
 
Sworaxe said:
Those excerpts leave too much open to interpretation.

3 co-workers deciding on their own to ride together is not the same "lift club" as a company facilitated transport.
Shared excerpt is referring to companies, not individuals.

Not a law enforcement agency, have no right to interfere with private citizens or attempt to enforce any laws.
Infringing on private citizens freedom of movement and association to "protect" an industry.
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Interpretation is where they get you, but that's the NLTA.

Company facilitated transport is classified as "Staff transport" which should hold a permit.
3 co-workers riding together to perform duties, is not the same as riding to and from work. That's a lift club.

I'll rather not comment on last paragraph.
 
my alt account said:
They hide behind the ambiguous laws. But also, lift clubs need to be registered. Does the public do that?

Edit... Ignorantly, I was arguing these same kinda things long before.
Read the NLTA first. Most of the guys in top positions in associations have a fair grasp of the NLTA. This is what they base their argument on.
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No they do not.

Let me give you a simple example.

Nelson, Thabo, Jacob and Cyril all work at XYZ company together, however only Cyril owns a vehicle.

So in the morning Cyril picks up Nelson, Thabo and Jacob from their homes and they all commute to work together in Cyril's own privately owned vehicle.

After work Cyril drops off Nelson, Thabo and Jacob at their homes.

At the end of the month Nelson, Thabo and Jacob all gives Cyril a amount they agreed upon = 100% legal, no registration required, no permit required, no documentation required etc.

That is seen as running costs for carpooling.
 
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