Telkom ADSL end user rights

ezanolin

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As of the writing of this message my adsl account has stopped functioning. This is due to the new account capping policies implemented by telkom and various ISP's

Historically I have always hated the 3Gig metering system because I only use ADSL on the local loop and never had capacity available on the international loop because they metered my local traffic.

This, I am sure, has all been beaten to death several times. I would like to know where or when Telkom notified users of its policy changes? Buying internet access in south africa is getting more complicated than buying medical aid, and just as useless might I add, lots of "blah" features but no real actual core value.

As of the 1st, the telkom site still touted that their offering would offer no change on the local loop after 3 gigs of usage, and yet here I sit with a disabled account. From a business point of view this has led me to not plan for this eventuality due to me interpereting their offering as truthfull.

What rights do we have as consumers when it comes to these things.

By my calculations 512K on SAT3 costs about R 47000 a month. Telkom is spinning a ton of marketing around this base offering to come up with ADSL 512K which with all its caveats should in my opinion no longer be called a 512K package its intrinsically about R450 rands worth of R47000.

This gives us an offering which in actuall fact, in true value, is a hundredth of an actual 512K link. But yet you buy it as 512K. Being a technical person its hard enough keeping up with all the caveats of the telkom offerings, how is a "regular" person supposed to be able to make an informed descision. These offerings are, by design, misleading and untruthfull.

What are our rights as consumers. What are our righs as ISP's that have to compete with unscrupolus marketing practices, in a marketplace where a real 64K connection costs more than a 512K connection (from a presentation point of view). What is in place to protect the consumer and the market from these hairbrained metering schemes to be able market something as something its not.
 
Telkom Internet has not notified it's users of any change with regard to hard capping. It's web site at this moment still reads: "Although TelkomInternet currently allows capped users restricted access to international sites and applications, and unrestricted access to local content, e-mail and applications, TelkomInternet reserves the right to deny authentication to any ADSL users dependent on network usage or abuse.".

See here:
http://www.telkomsa.net/products/adsl_telkom_internet.jsp

Also the email message you got to warn you that you have exceeded your limit probably does not mention any hard capping.

See here:
https://dotco.net/allyoucaneat/images/telkominternet1.gif (5.19GB, 2 November 2005)
https://dotco.net/allyoucaneat/images/telkominternet6.gif (9.41GB, 3 November 2005)
https://dotco.net/allyoucaneat/kb/index.php?ToDo=view&questId=24&catId=6
 
Great post ezanolin, and I agree with what you say 100%, but after dealing with telkom and trying to get my adsl line installed for over a month now, I've realised telkom have absolutely no one to answer to - not icasa, not government, and especially not consumers. They have free reign to do whateva the hell they please :mad:
 
Are you with TelkomInternet ezanolin? It seems like you might be reading your post, but with all the confusion, do they or don't they hardcap - I dont know what to think. I see allyoucaneat still have that page up, and so if there is a case where they do hardcap, how do they choose which one to do that?
 
ezanolin said:
Telkom ADSL end user rights

Whats rights? We don't have rights! Only their best pathetic effort, and thats it, nothing more, much less.


Want to join my "peaceful" "non pro telkom" "bold consumer rights activism" group called Black November? (just increase the agressiveness of the quoted words to suit your desires)
 
2 things that are important to remember:

1. People have no rights whatsoever when it comes to TELKOM (the only other six letter word that is as bad as TELKOM is HITLER - people also had no rights whatsoever)
2. Telkom is hardcapping Telkominternet accounts.

Sorry for the compartison, but a sadistic dictatorship can only be compared successfully to another...
 
Ezanolin,

This gives us an offering which in actuall fact, in true value, is a hundredth of an actual 512K link.

We asked Telkom what their contention ratios were, at the ICASA hearings, but they refused to tell us. We then asked ICASA to get the info, but we weren't given an answer. Telkom assured ICASA they would release the contention ratios to ICASA, as long as the info remained confidential.

I believe that the new SNO has a great marketing opportunity here, as soon as they get up and running. It is common practise worldwide for ADSL ISP's to disclose their contention ratios - and they use this to attract new customers.

I agree with your suspicion that Telkom are loading their links, and this is obvious when seeing the crap quality that everyone is experiencing lately.
 
Telkom assured ICASA they would release the contention ratios to ICASA, as long as the info remained confidential.
And whats the point of doing that? ICASA didn't ask for the contention ratios, we did!
 
Does it really matter whether Telkom are hard-capping or not? If they are, they've shot themselves in the foot because they didn't notify anyone. If they aren't, it's anti-competitive and they've shot themselves in the foot.

Now if only we could do anything about it :/
 
I suppose therein lies the delemma Anti. MyADSL, ISP's and consumers have tried to do something about it, but as yet nothing has come of it. Sure a lot of hot air, promises and strong words have bee uttered by ICASA, DoC, and Government, but as usual for SA, absolutely nothing happens. All they do is turn a blind eye until the storm dies down and then business as usual.

Telkom: how can we provide you with excellent customer rapepage today...
 
Kalvaer said:
Just "HOW" much have you downloaded so far?
Downloaded? Yes the question is indeed How and the amout is nothing. Should I try to download any demos or freebies I'll get capped before month end and I'll be in a very dark place. Unfortunately I deppend on having internet access at work and at home for browsing, e-amil and gaming. If I try to download anything I'm compromising all of those. As far as gaming, well international is absolutely pathetic since 1/11 so local servers only for me, that is for the games that do have local hosting. Downloading, no can't do that in SA anymore...
 
surely this is a legal matter, that either we can file as a class action suite or maybe the ISPs? I think if we can hit telskum were it hurts( their bank balance) then we might actually set see them improve their service.
I know its drastic, but I don't c any other options here.
Even though this might take years, it will still probably be quicker than gov or ICASA doing anything.
 
LOL Mfour.. thats not my point. I was also capped last month by the 15 because I downloaded 3 games I was asked to BETA test and due reviews on. I'm lucky I had another account to use to actually play them.

My point is if you are currently capped as of today, and you have downloaded 6 gigs so far.... telkom and ANY company would constitute that as abuse. That means if you keep up at this rate you are looking at +/- 60 gigs for the month on a 3 gigs account.. I know all the crap about we can download much more, and 3 gigs is not enough and blah blah.. The point is we all agreed on the terms and conditions.. I hate them to death.. But I agreed because I need the service (Crappy as it may be, I dont have a choice).

I really do feel for anyone capped especially businesses that use the lines to connect branches. I dont agree with what telkom is doing but we are all going around in circles fighting over the same stuff we have been for 6 months its getting us no where
 
Telkom have so many caveats, opt outs and self protection statements that you will find that long after you or they cease to exist you will still be obligated to give them your first borne and that they need do nothing in return.

However it is good to note that Telkom is totally open and transparent. Ask them, they WILL confirm that they are.
 
Kalvaer said:
LOL Mfour.. thats not my point. I was also capped last month by the 15 because I downloaded 3 games I was asked to BETA test and due reviews on. I'm lucky I had another account to use to actually play them.

My point is if you are currently capped as of today, and you have downloaded 6 gigs so far.... telkom and ANY company would constitute that as abuse. That means if you keep up at this rate you are looking at +/- 60 gigs for the month on a 3 gigs account.. I know all the crap about we can download much more, and 3 gigs is not enough and blah blah.. The point is we all agreed on the terms and conditions.. I hate them to death.. But I agreed because I need the service (Crappy as it may be, I dont have a choice).
I really do feel for anyone capped especially businesses that use the lines to connect branches. I dont agree with what telkom is doing but we are all going around in circles fighting over the same stuff we have been for 6 months its getting us no where

You are so right
 
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