Telkom Closer 4 is cheaper than iBurst??

Now that Telskum is this much better than iBurst, and we all know that Telskum is robbing us blind, what does this make iBurst?

It makes them a competitor to a monopoly. Telkom are offering you two services in one and just dropping their own ridiculous prices, mostly on the phone bill in your case, it doesn't even have much to do with iBurst.

iBurst pay most of their costs to international bandwidth, charge by Telkom (SAT3, which Verizon use right?). Telkom can drop their own prices internally by combining it with phone costs in these Closer packages.

In any case, Closer 5/3 does sound very nice...
 
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The R699 is the Closer opt 5 cost. What is the R648?

The R648 was for an ISP package that would exceed all the specifications of the iBurst G9 package.

My Costs are

Closer opt 5 = R699
Telkom ISP 3G = R249
Total - ±R950

iBurst 3g = R611
Phone a/c = ±R800
Total = ±R1400

Savings = R1400 - R950 = ±R400 conservatively.

Yes, but the point was made that just switching to Closer Plan 3 (R300pm)would have saved you +-R500pm on your phone a/c. So you are effectively paying R49pm more for ADSL than you were for iBurst G3.

ADSL 1024 = R399
Telkom ISP 3G = R249
Total = R648pm.
 
iBurst pay most of their costs to international bandwidth, charge by Telkom (SAT3, which Verizon use right?)

Unlike most ISPs who resell IS or SAIX packages, Iburst purchases a bandwdth pipe wholesale (from Verizon), which gives them a certain bandwdith capacity. The amount that iBurst charge for bandwdith compared to the price they pay for that pipe are poles apart and not directly linked. R139 per Gig and upwards for additional bandwidth is sheer iBurst profiteering, and has absolutely nothing to do with their actual cost of bandwdith.

Ask yourself how is it possible that IS can offer uncapped ADSL packages from R1000pm up (on which users can d/l hundreds of Gigs), and yet the entire pooled purchasing power of 30 000 iBurst subscribers cannot manage anything better then R139/Gig.

The price Telkom/SAIX charge for bandwdith is excessive, but far lower than Iburst. Blaming Telkom for iBurst's greed is missing the mark entirely.
 
My account is as follows:

Iburst = R599 3G package

phone?

Cellphone

Vodacom = R145/month
+ Work cell phone = free :)

Iburst downloads of 130Kbps constantly besides during the day my pc is never on.

Skype is clear unless I'm capped :(

Guildwars runs perfectly

Same goes to UT2k4.

Do you think it's wise to get a 384 dsl? or should I still wait and see what neotel brings?
 
It'll be quite a wait... Here in sunny South Africa we work in Africa time, second quarter of 2007 quickly becomes second half of 2007, which will undoubtedly become first half of 2008... Empty promises and blatant lies are the norm here.
 
fishfly - this only works if you are using your landline.
 
Unlike most ISPs who resell IS or SAIX packages, Iburst purchases a bandwdth pipe wholesale (from Verizon), which gives them a certain bandwdith capacity. The amount that iBurst charge for bandwdith compared to the price they pay for that pipe are poles apart and not directly linked. R139 per Gig and upwards for additional bandwidth is sheer iBurst profiteering, and has absolutely nothing to do with their actual cost of bandwdith.

Ask yourself how is it possible that IS can offer uncapped ADSL packages from R1000pm up (on which users can d/l hundreds of Gigs), and yet the entire pooled purchasing power of 30 000 iBurst subscribers cannot manage anything better then R139/Gig.

The price Telkom/SAIX charge for bandwdith is excessive, but far lower than Iburst. Blaming Telkom for iBurst's greed is missing the mark entirely.

Ja, well those extra gigs are terribly priced, I'm not denying that.

But the general price for a 3G account, which would include the ISP cost and "line rental" (iBurst towers etc in this case) and your 64kb after cap service.
 
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But the general price for a 3G account, which would include the ISP cost and "line rental" (iBurst towers etc in this case) and your 64kb after cap service.

That is the problem with ADSL - Telkom's line rentals, phone and ADSL kill it as a low-usage solution. The closer plans make it relatively cheaper, provided you utilize a landland. The real benefit comes from being able to access the high end ISP options that are available. So you can really bring down the cost per gig.
 
Normal user

I am a normal kind of Joe. I date to back before we had phones in our houses. I moved with the times many decades ago and got a phone in my house! Progress!!!!

Then dammit, these mobile thingies came in round about the 19?? something or other. Like a half-brick in your pocket! Great for self-defense! just gooi dit at the bastards and watch them run. Ja, we went this way too. Lekker safe it was. For a while! Watch the 9 mils now - these okes have taken all the cop's 9 mils to sort you out!

Now, we try to get communication from the house out and back. We even try to get all our kids online (4 kids computers with ethernet cables tripping us up every time we rush to the loo). Immodium has nothing on us - sharp eyes in the darkness stops tripping and banging heads on walls. Hey, I see on this forum that there's this thingy called wireless to get rid of the cables.
No 5 star rating for safety here!!! We need wireless! Now my old man, long departed, he used to talk about wireless. But I don't think it was the same thing. It was when something called FM started a long time ago. Clear as a bell.

Hey, talking about clear as a bell, we got 4 extensions (4 kids, you know) and each extension tells me that we all have to go to the doc to have our ears tested - we can't hear a **** what the other folks are saying! Maybe, just maybe, the guys at Telskum are not what they say they are - right on top of things. Since this new thingy, Closer opinion 5, has come into our house, our hearing has gone down the toilet. I suspect this because we only empty our lekker new wheelies once a week, but we flush the toilets at least once a day whether we have to or not. We still can't hear!!!!!!

The okes on the call-centres tuned me (that dates me well into the last millenium) that some ou is going to start checking out my connection and maybe, just maybe, find out what ou has stuffed up something and fix it quickly before the bosses find out.

Hey, but with job preservation and all that good ****, who can get fired these days. In the old days it used to be job reservation! What a difference a "pre" makes! I could almost burst into song, except the only way I can carry a tune is in a wheelbarrow. Maybe one of those new bakkies with a bumper sticker - cool I 4 x 4. Have you seen them on the roads? My agricultural engineer, (weekly gardener) tells me that this is not PC! And I thought PC was personal computer.

But hey, man my kids hate this expression, hey - Damn it, I hate it when Bacchus, the god of wine deserts me in the midst of my creative flow. Thank goodness (calm hey?) for spell-checkers! They make us feel good when everything is collapsing in a heap of smelly **** on top of us.

Economies and reversal of fortunes and rain-bow-nationness make box vintage fruit-of-the-vine viable, nay, enjoyable.

What modem/router do you use?
It doesn't matter, as long as it is not a Marconi from the ogre.

What filter do you use?
I can't get anything except Marconi from the ogre.

Does the Ogre have an agreement with Marconi set up to screw the consumer?

No, Telskum simply applies the BOHICA syndrome Bend Over Here It Comes Again!

Or "It is wrong not to part a fool from his money"!!!!!

Because of lack of competition, you and I, the fools, are parted from our money.

The Government, regardless of Mbeki's utterances, will do nothing to solve the Internet Impasse.

Not because of not wanting to do it - But because of not knowing how to do it. Ask the honkies? Not a **** - this acknowledges defeat!

Grow up all you wonderkinde, defeat is when we all get nowhere fast.

Victory is when we all work together to get out of this total screw-out where we are today.

In order to get things done and improve matters in all respects in this wonderful country of ours, we have to pose questions which require honest answers which will not be given as long as the power-that-be have holes in their asses.

I earnestly believe that this is the problem,

Can it ever be solved?

Hot stuff, this box vintage - In vino veritas!
 
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That is the problem with ADSL - Telkom's line rentals, phone and ADSL kill it as a low-usage solution. The closer plans make it relatively cheaper, provided you utilize a landland. The real benefit comes from being able to access the high end ISP options that are available. So you can really bring down the cost per gig.

Yes, I know this to be true.. my problem lies with not being able to afford such high end ISP packages :p

But also it is hardly the ADSL or Telkom which make this high end usage so viable (SA context) and "cheap" (ditto) but the ISP's, as you mentioned with IS before. So what is actually stopping iBurst from offering a much higher capped, or uncapped service. I suppose nothing, maybe they just didn't see a big enough market for it when they formulated their original (and current :/ ) packages. So now if they had to have a uncapped service, could they realistically price it somewhere inline with a IS uncapped service, factoring in the line rental.

Maybe Ed could tell us. There is obviously a market for uncapped solutions as you could see from IS's uncapped products. Why couldn't iBurst offer something like this, would it cause a problem with overloading towers with too much constant usage?

I think it would fill a good gap for people like Gatecrasher who moved off iBurst for this reason, wanting higher usage.
 
Maybe Ed could tell us. There is obviously a market for uncapped solutions as you could see from IS's uncapped products. Why couldn't iBurst offer something like this, would it cause a problem with overloading towers with too much constant usage?
if I'm correct I think iburst does offer the uncapped solution... but to the corporate customers if I'm not mistaken
 
if I'm correct I think iburst does offer the uncapped solution... but to the corporate customers if I'm not mistaken

I've never heard of this. You'd think it might be somewhere on their site... I suppose its not coming to residential customers any time soon?

I'd be interested to know the pricing if such a thing exists.
 
FishFly, I've enquired about an uncapped package for my business, and the response I recieved was that iburst do not, and will unlikely in the future, offer an uncapped service. And this was coming from an iburst representative.
 
FishFly, I've enquired about an uncapped package for my business, and the response I recieved was that iburst do not, and will unlikely in the future, offer an uncapped service. And this was coming from an iburst representative.

How strange... my last company organised a uncapped service... maybe this was before teh whole wbs -> iburst shebang
 
This post is probably counter-productive to the arguement (but I can only imagine that WBS knows this) but the fact of the matter is that iBurst has gone from being very good value to being part of the same bad package you can expect from ADSL/(Vodacom/MTN?). You now really have to look at your circumstances to choose the best package. Whereas before iBurst was a no brainer.

Interestingly I think I will be finishing my 2 years on iBurst in May or so. I think I will have saved a R100 by being on month-to-month. Or it might be I will have lost a R100. I certainly thought by this stage I would have moved on to ADSL. Although the reason for that is due to my housing arrangements rather than iBurst.
 
So given this month-to-month malarky I have started looking around at other options.

iBurst
Code:
G9 (month-to-month) 					- R1099
G9 (laptop) 						- R1209
G9 (Desktop Modem) 					- R1229

ADSL 1
Code:
Closer 5 							- R  699
Imagine IPS Unshaped (7GB)* 				- R  430
OpenWeb (10GB local)**** 					- R    70
Total 							- R1199

ADSL 2
Code:
Closer 5							- R  699
WebAfrica Shaped (10GB)**					- R  490
OpenWeb (10GB local)**** 					- R    70
Total							- R1259

ADSL 3
Code:
Closer 5							- R  699
OpenBrowse Unshaped(10GB)*/***				- R  648
OpenWeb (10GB local)****					- R    70
Total							- R1417

ADSL 4
Code:
Closer 5							- R  699
OpenBrowse (10GB)*/***					- R  648
Total							- R1347

* Imagine is 7GB cap + 23GB local. OpenBrowse is 10GB cap + 30GB local.

** I remember OpenWeb used to have a service where you could pay for the use of a proxy server. I just can’t remember the cost and can’t seem to find such a service again on their website. Was about R70 at the time I think, making it a total of R1,329.

*** OpenBrowse offers 192kbps international browsing only after the cap is reached. This excludes ANY downloading. A product is being worked on that will allow HTTP downloading as well but price and when it will be available are as yet unknown.

**** The reason why I have priced this is because where you have cap + local , local traffic eats away at the international cap first(eg the 7GB before the 23GB). Thus using Route Sentry you can redirect local traffic to OpenWeb and international to the capped portion.

If you already have a Telkom landline, the cost of the ADSL packages is effectively R100 less.

There is of course the 64kbps that iBurst has. That then needs to be weighed against having 37GB to 40GB worth of ADSL bandwidth.
 
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And actually forking out over a grand each month for internet access.
 
how decent is Imagine service as a DSL provider? that's also the question. we all know iburst works provided that you have receiption... yet there's lots of moaning regading service reliability from certain DSL providers...
 
how decent is Imagine service as a DSL provider? that's also the question. we all know iburst works provided that you have receiption... yet there's lots of moaning regading service reliability from certain DSL providers...

The ISP doesn't make a difference to your connection unless its authentication problems.

It only matters if they use SAIX or IS for their bandwidth, with SAIX you should have a pretty good connection.
 
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