Telkom does its usual bit for science in SA

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http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/bottomline.aspx?ID=BD4A108143

GOVERNMENT can quite rightly pat itself on the back for having the foresight to support the $36m Southern African Large Telescope (Salt), which is due to be inaugurated next week.

The complex task of building Salt, the biggest optical telescope in the southern hemisphere, was achieved on time, on spec and on budget.

And the thing works pretty darn well too according to its resident scientists, who are already snapping sterling pictures of the stars above.

Only trouble is, they are having tremendous difficulties sharing their information with their colleagues across the globe.

One of Salt’s most important features is the fact that it is used to collect astronomical data without scientists having to travel to the site — the local crew take pictures of various heavenly bodies, and are theoretically supposed to send the info off to their buddies via the internet.

But no, that pesky telecoms monopoly Telkom is getting in the way again. And, as usual, the insufficient bandwidth and sky-high rates mean it is not practical to use the world wide web.

What an insane waste, not to mention loss of face for the South African scientific community. To fulfil the telescope’s intended purpose, the Salt operators must burn their data onto a compact disc and pop it in the post. Snail mail. When was the last time anyone had the time?

What ever is keeping the second network operator?

We need it now.
 
Simply because it is our money anyway and the pic's will generate more bandwidth for which you now will pay dearly!
 
unbelievable.

The global community gives SA a chance to prove that we can compete at the forefront of modern scientific advancement and what do we do? We drop the ball.

Simply amazing. And the trully tragic thing is that I doubt any of the decision-makers in government have the slightest clue of how embarassing this really is.
 
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Well, duh, why don't they rather get a Sentech VStar Satellite connection, they've sure as hell got enough dish for it . . . .
 
US---Can we get info about that comet heading for earth SALT?

SA---Nah soz man, we are capped and its cheaper for me to get on a plane this evening and bring you the stuff myself anyway, cye tomorrow.
:D
 
Thats actually so damn funny but at the same time I cant believe how pathetic it is...

We should give the Minister of Science, Ivy's job as well. I'm sure it wont be too hard because even if he does work for that department one day a week it would be more than Ivy does and our Telecomms will greatly improve in the first week
 
I reckon .gov should be FORCED to pay for the band required/promised, that'll really put some fire up their bums.
 
Wonderful news. I believe their carrier pigeon training programme is doing well too. The pigeons battled in the beginning with CD's tied to their legs, but science came to the resque again! 1gig flash disks are now used. They have approached Telkom to sponsor the flash disks and are now eagerly awaiting Telkom's response

Hang Telkom High!
 
I wonder if telkom will be able to bugger up the plans for the Square Kilometre Array.
 
Please dont go there bwana.. if telkom cant set up something like salt... I actually have no idea how on earth they will ever handle the data that the SKA will generate :(
 
No doubt they'll valiantly attempt to do so.

The following document is a white paper on the assesment of various locations for part of the project:

http://www.skatelescope.org/documents/swp/SouthAfr_Site_pdf.pdf

There is an extensive optical fibre trunk network in South Africa, with state of the art undersea optical fibre cable links to Europe, Asia and the Pacific Rim. The network in South Africa is constantly being upgraded to meet the demand for high-speed, high quality and flexible transport capacity. This network will be accessible to the SKA.

They forgot to add "insanely highly priced" to their list of adjectives. Let's hope they're not in for an eye-opening surprise.

It seems though that they only intend to fully operational by 2020. Hopefully Telkom will be a distant (yet painful) memory by then ... you know ... like Nazi Germany.
 
Angstrom said:
It seems though that they only intend to fully operational by 2020. Hopefully Telkom will be a distant (yet painful) memory by then ... you know ... like Nazi Germany.
Well assuming we actually win the contract to set up the SKA, I've heard from a few people that are involved that we should start getting data with in the first 5 years. Granted it wont be fully operation but 2012 was the last date I was told to expect things to start happening
 
From what I understand (and i'm not the expert my Fiance is) it will get data from simular installations spread all over the world and compile it together all at the main base station.. which would be in SA if we get it set up..

LOL well if telkom cant handle a few photographs.. how do you think they can handle data from radio signals millions of miles into the universe being streamed into the servers at once... I have my doubts
 
This article soooooo has the wrong title. Reading the title I thought Telkom was sponsoring some science thing.

A better title would have been "SA Space Science community humiliated".
 
Sometimes.... sometimes I can understand why there are Americans who don't know where South Africa is.
 
onionpeel said:
Sometimes.... sometimes I can understand why there are Americans who don't know where South Africa is.
ROFLOL that is so true and damn funny

/off topic
oh and even though I actually like most americans.. A lot of them are really stupid..Have any of you seen that video when that guy goes and askes people one the street where certain places are in the world and he names are all wrong.. (i'll actually try upload it now to my server .. which is in the USA so sorry if your capped :) )
 
It's not just SALT which is suffering. When I was at UCT in 2004 I did a bit of work with some guys in the Physics dept who are part of the ALICE project. ALICE is going to be the one of worlds biggest physics experiments ever. It's based at CERN (you know the home of the WWW) in Switzerland and involves 86 institutes in 29 countries. All the participating institutes aer linked together in a giant grid computer that will chew through the PETABYTES of data that this thing is going to produce when it goes online.

UCT is one of those institutions and the Physics dept had (in 2004 might have grown since then) a 20 node beowulf cluster that was on of the processing nodes in the grid. When I left UCT the guys were trying to get upgraded from a tier two to a tier one processing node but were having issues because... c'mon you know what's coming... Telkom was going to charge a fortune to shunt that data around.

When I left the physics guys were appealing to the Dept of Science to get Telkom to free up some of the spare bandwidth they had (of which they claimed Telkom had plenty) to be able to get the data to SA besides writing it to magnetic tape and sending it via Airmail...
 
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