Telkom meeting

beyers

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RPM

It is good progress if Telkom indicates that it will have a meeting with us.

What will be the format of the meeting?

I think that we need some kind of a deal with Telkom. This Forum's membership is now big enough not to be seen as neglegible, as Telkom tried to depict us earlier.

If a reasonable agreement can be reached with Telkom, then Telkom may get good publicity from it. That may be an incentive for them to listen carefully and ACT.

If the major problems are resolved, then this Forum and community can form a fruitful working relationship with Telkom. It will be of great benefit to both parties.

But before this can happen, better speed and less restrictions must be introduced.... this is non-negotiable, in my opinion.

Regards

beyers
 
I'm lost: What indication of what meeting?



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I received this as part of a bulk mail message from Myadsl admin.

Cheers
 
Ye good news
Lets hope they dont side step the real issues not the 3gig cap they keep going on about[:)]
 
Hi guys

There is indeed a meeting on the cards between Telkom and us. The specifics have not been confirmed yet, but I have been contacted and I will let you know when I have more details.

Regards,

RPM
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This is good news indeed, there must be some concern in Telkom if they are willing to sit at a table.
 
Yes ASnogarD, but let us wait and see if the meeting actually becomes reality. Hopefully Telkom's adsl management realize that it is in their interest to keep us happy (and hence quiet).
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It will be excellent marketing for Telkom if they strike a deal with the adsl users, and it becomes public. If they stay defiant, we must make a big noise again! We have enough material to do so...i.e. the piece written by ckleynhans under the current topic.
 
Hey rpm,

Good going so far.

Perhaps if you could get Ian Rowland (author of the article http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/feedback/feedcopy.asp?CommentID=2442) to accompany you, or anyone who is able to publish an article that is read by a large number of the public, that will certainly be of major concern to Telkom. Rather than it just being making it's existing client base happy, it now becomes a marketing scheme whereby we have the clout to make exactly what they say at this meeting immediately public, and to a large number of readers.

I think they'll be far more willing to deal if what they say is attended by writers willing to publish exactly what they say.
 
This is indeed great news. RPM please keep us informed. We obviously need to brainstorm a bit and get our ideas and concerns on paper so that whoever meets with Telkom can represent all of us.
 
Response to Telkom’s Executive Product Development Mr. Steven White, media release.



a. ".. driven by a few customers who are dissatisfied with the service."

There cannot be a single Telkom subscriber who would be satisfied with a denial of service after reaching the CAP.
I would say that the level of disatisfaction with the ADSL service would be well over 99% on this issue alone.


b. "have no problems with ADSL and in fact experience the real value that ADSL brings, always available fast internet."

This statement should be verified with other ISPs.


c. "The service is not designed to offer bandwidth intensive communications such as peer-to-peer applications"

This is Telkom's own definition of ADSL. The majority of ISPs throughout the world offer ADSL specifically for bandwidth intensive communications.


d. "The service is designed to offer premium Internet surfing (HTTP), email (SMTP) and file transfer protocol applications"

Telkom appear to want to dictate to subscriber's and limit specific areas of internet access.
He should have written : We have modified ADSL to suit mainly ..


e. "has also created quite a bit of debate in the media but upon reflection it appears to come from those users for whom ADSL is not the ideal solution for their needs"


Based on Telkom's own design of ADSL, Mr. White might well be correct, however subscriber's select ADSL as a method of connection based on international standards and design. Subscribers in South Africa are well aware of the service that ADSL provides worldwide. I would add that 100% of all subscribers would want ADSL according to the design as it is applied internationally.

Of course one can understand, that given the "situation" in South Africa we cannot get the international design at international costs. We must pay a premium to accomodate the very limited link Telkom has internationally.
This really is the real problem.


f. "performance of international servers will also affect download speeds".

Technically this might be correct on a small percentage of international servers.
The suggestion that international servers might slow down Telkom's super fast ADSL connection could not be further from the truth.


g. "Telkom’s SAIX has prioritised surfing, email and file transfer protocols.
Bandwidth intensive protocols such as peer-to-peer applications (e.g fasttrack, gntella, napster, kazaa, e-donkey etc) are afforded a lower priority and as such will perform worse"

Oh dear, oh dear.. Telkom wants to dictate who goes where and at what speed.
There's a lot that could be written on this topic.

h. "The volume capping and prioritisation of the international pipe is done at the wholesale level to ensure that all ISP customers enjoy the ADSL experience of fast always-available Internet"

This is pure bollox.


j. "The 3 GByte cap is measured on total usage, both local and international users who exceed the cap are redirected to a more limited international pipe.
This will have the result that these users receive a slow international throughput"

This is the most amazing statement. What other provider on earth would want to have "a more limited international pipe" for its subscribers?


k. "Recent statistics show that very few customers reach their monthly cap"

Herein lies the solution - scrap the CAP.
If very few customers reach the CAP why have it at all?

Telkom's ADSL appears to solve a problem which does not exist.



It is so unfortunate that Telkom's version and implementation of ADSL
has been substantially modified from the model experienced and enjoyed by the rest of the world.
 
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