Telkom Word play: DSL 192

[Veritech]

Just to show how cleverly Telkom disguise the fact that their prices are ridiculous.

The following excerpt from their Web Site:

"Another Telkom broadband initiative is the launch of HomeDSL 192 for home users who want to have an always-available Internet connection at a fixed monthly rate, but not fast access offered by HomeDSL384 and HomeDSL 512."

What user does not WANT the fastest available connection possible?

It should have read "..., but cannot afford the fast access offered by HomeDSL384 and HomeDSL 512."

This would obviously be stating that they are in agreement about the fact that their products are way too expensive, so they changed it.

 

[playkiller no.2]

Which forum member will test this for us,from 56k dial-up point this looks fast but from a 512DSL view it looks like a snail with a motor on board.^^

 

[fergus]

I'm applying for DSL192 on the 1st of March when it becomes available. I don't know how long it'll take to get installed though. If its to slow I'll just upgrade to 384

 

[bb_matt]

It'll be fast enough for one reason.

There's a 3gig cap.



Seriously though, if there is one thing is good thing about Hellkom ADSL, it is reliable speed wise. With the 192 connection, you will average above 14k per second international and 18k per second local. I have no complaints about my 384 connection on that score and I'm on my fourth month with the service

 

[mikkelz_za]

Why is there a difference in speeds between local and international?

 

[Darric]

Why is there a difference in speeds between local and international?

Because.... speed is inversely proportional to distance? And like, international is far away?


Darric

 

[Razer0]

What user does not WANT the fastest available connection possible?

Believe it or not but there are people out there who dont give a rats-ass about how fast their connection is

I play games, and when I finished playing my games I browse. Who needs 512kbps connection to do that? I dont mind waiting the extra 2-3seconds for a page to load up...

Neither will my emailing granny.. figuratively of course, she doesnt even know where the power button is

 

[playkiller no.2]

Well Telkom has not updated their ordering page so you choose the 192dsl option online on the adsl page.

I hate talking to those idiots on the phone,update the order page morons.
Sucker #7742 reporting for wallet sucking.~~

 

[Clipse]

Ok look at the whole dsl192 from telkom from another perspective..

Atm you pay R450 + R90 + R240 = R780 for 384k per month

for dsl192k you will pay R329 + R90 + R240 = R660 and with this price you will receive half the bandwidth.

Just by looking at these 2 offers you can see why telkom introduced 192k, they will pocket twice as much money than they could from 384k. 2x 192k = R1320 where 1x 384k = R780 , Telkom loves the users who will accept this offer and laugh at you for being so silly to actually go for it.

From a money saving perspective it might look good, but from realities perspective its a rediculous offer and should not even be considered.

 

[fergus]

DSL192 is only meant to be available 1st of March so it'll probably only be updated then.

 

[fergus]

Clipse, how does nukecape.co.za work? and how much is it?

 

[ic]

...
It should have read "..., but cannot afford the fast access offered by HomeDSL384 and HomeDSL 512."
...

Or a step closer to reality, it should have read:
"..., but cannot afford the slightly more than morbid deathly slow access forced by Telkomonopoly in HomeDSL384 and HomeDSL512"

Ok look at the whole dsl192 from telkom from another perspective
...
From a money saving perspective it might look good, but from realities perspective its a rediculous offer and should not even be considered.

I agree 100%, but I also look at HomeDSL192, HomeDSL384, HomeDSL512 and think I will use Telkomonopoly's 30 Day Notice contract against them & switch as soon as something less usurious/usurarious is available.

 

[mikkelz_za]

Because.... speed is inversely proportional to distance? And like, international is far away?


Darric

There's no difference on any connection I've ever had, 56k, 64k, 128k, DSL384 between local and international.

Why would DSL192 be any different?

 

[Gaz{M}]

DSL192 is POINTLESS. STUPID STUPID STUPID.

We have 128K ISDN. Since everyone is at work or school during the week, you can only really start to use the internet from, say, 5pm onwards. So we have to wait till 7pm - big deal. So far this weekend, we've downloaded just under 2 GB, for a paltry R17.10. At this rate, we'll easily pull around 18GB give or take for a total monthly cost of R804. Even on DSL192, a similar amount of data would cost R1140 with a UUNET uncapped account. The beauty of ISDN128K is NO port shaping of any kind. Gaming is heaps of fun and all three of us play online simultaneously with decent pings. Why the hell would you want DSL192 when it costs more to get far less? Do you REALLY NEED "always on" access if you aren't even at home during the day?

 

[Clipse]

Mason - What do u mean no difference? Speed wise or billing wise?

 

[mikkelz_za]

Seriously though, if there is one thing is good thing about Hellkom ADSL, it is reliable speed wise. With the 192 connection, you will average above 14k per second international and 18k per second local. I have no complaints about my 384 connection on that score and I'm on my fourth month with the service

Clipse, with regards to data transfer speed. If only it was regarding cost..

 

[Veritech]

Razer0,

Have you ever browsed a Web Site with anything other than plain HTML?

Why would you want to waste any more of your life waiting for the Computer to do something meaningful?

I do enough of that every day waiting for it to boot, do virus scans and large file transfers across the LAN...

Somebody calculated once how much time you spent waiting for electronic devices to function during a lifetime, and it came to a rather astonishing long time if you add it all together.

Bottom line is that this could all have been prevented were it not for the Telkom Board of Directors wanting to stuff their overburdened pockets even more. Just look at their record profits posted every year...

If this were any other true Democratically-centered country the Government would have done away with this injustice long ago.

Just look at what happened to Microsoft when they did the same.

 

[MaD]

DSL192 is POINTLESS. STUPID STUPID STUPID.

We have 128K ISDN. Since everyone is at work or school during the week, you can only really start to use the internet from, say, 5pm onwards. So we have to wait till 7pm - big deal. So far this weekend, we've downloaded just under 2 GB, for a paltry R17.10. At this rate, we'll easily pull around 18GB give or take for a total monthly cost of R804. Even on DSL192, a similar amount of data would cost R1140 with a UUNET uncapped account. The beauty of ISDN128K is NO port shaping of any kind. Gaming is heaps of fun and all three of us play online simultaneously with decent pings. Why the hell would you want DSL192 when it costs more to get far less? Do you REALLY NEED "always on" access if you aren't even at home during the day?

What one could do in theory is get a few 128ISDN lines at home and share them at night with friends down the road..

Based on theoretical max speeds,

1s - 16KB
60s - 960KB
60m - 57,600KB
12h - 691,200KB
1w - 4.83GB
1m - 19.353GB

19GB per month is quite a lot.. most ppl only get home before 6 anyways so there's no harm in waiting around and watching 7de Laan and Egoli until 7

What would the total of ISDN128 + line rental + InfinitCall (which a chap at Telkom said last week will be phased out) + the call charges be per month?

 

[Mux]

MaD, just a small theoretical adjustment to the way one measures usage.

If I'm not mistaken, most traffic is measured UP+DOWN (in terms of a cap anyway). Shouldn't the 128Kbs be calculated then at x2 as theoretical limit?
(I have noticed using Skype that the up and down is almost the same and together > 16KB.)
This will make the ISDN (for people that do not need to be on 24/7) a far more cost effective option compared to the 192ADSL. No shaping, NO CAP.

Just a thought....

 

[Gaz{M}]

MaD, i did mention R804 total cost for 128K ISDN. Made up as follows:

ISDN line rental R225
128K account R189
infinitcall R55
22 weekday callmores R8.55 x 44 = R376.20
4 weekend callmores R8.55 x 8 = R68.4

TOTAL = R913.60
Mmm....my roomate is an idiot for giving me the amount of R804. He did do SG maths at school though...