Terrorists attack Ugandan WC 2010 fans

"Politics is a process by which groups of people make collective decisions. " its everywhere :(
 
And once again its seems peaceful open-minded muslims are just generalised with extremist muslims.

These alleged idiot "muslim" extremists make a mockery of the religion. I heard on the radio this morning "they say muslims are not allowed to watch soccer...". What bull krap! Arrgggg

My rant for the day :)
 
Balstrome said:
Be fair, it was the wrong type of Muslims that did this out of context while not using the original Arabic.
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Of course! Its funny then how many Muslims get it wrong, I mean out of context and all that. Seems to be a very common mistake.

Maybe we should pay for a series of public announcements in Muslim countries? Telling them that they interpreted the Koran wrong and that we know better. Yes, that will help. In fact, we need to inform them of the most recent Prophet - Joseph Smith, peace be upon him. Mohammed is not the most recent prophet anymore, it is time they pay respect to the correct man.
 
PeterCH said:
Drinking on Sunday is not sinful.

Obviously the guy was a half drunken male chauvinist or he could be an introvert just pretending to be macho or he could just have broken up. Do you not think it's likely there are other motives for his behaviour?

Finally what has this to do with terrorism?
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read the post to which I replied... well he mentioned the bible and the passage where it said woman should submit themselves to the will of the man a few times. the guy could be a chauvinist or whatever, but he used the bible to justify his behaviour towards women.

"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp the authority over the man, but to be in silence." 1 Tim 2:11-12

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God." 1 Cor 11:3

"Submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord” Ephesians 5:22–23
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Ancalagon said:
Of course! Its funny then how many Muslims get it wrong, I mean out of context and all that. Seems to be a very common mistake.

Maybe we should pay for a series of public announcements in Muslim countries? Telling them that they interpreted the Koran wrong and that we know better. Yes, that will help. In fact, we need to inform them of the most recent Prophet - Joseph Smith, peace be upon him. Mohammed is not the most recent prophet anymore, it is time they pay respect to the correct man.
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To be fair, there are as many as 1 billion Muslims and how many are involved in terrorism? less than 1%?

I agree there may be moral support from some, and lack of negative criticism of terrorism from many but direct involvement - very, very few.
 
DigitalSoldier said:
read the post to which I replied... well he mentioned the bible and the passage where it said woman should submit themselves to the will of the man a few times. the guy could be a chauvinist or whatever, but he used the bible to justify his behaviour towards women.
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You don't know which came first. Since chauvinism is present in many if not virtually all ancient cultures (even Greece - where only some men could vote), there is a natural tendency for many men to exercise control or power over women. After all you will usually find that the strong bullies the weak and alpha (and other) males like to be in charge. However, you don't really know what the motivations of this guy were. He could have cited the Bible in desperation or he could have broken up recently. In all likelihood he was just desperate and frustrated that he can't control his woman.

Jesus' teachings were in context of the chauvinism and racism of ancient Palestine. However, He showed Himself to be equal towards men and women.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/cfe_bibl.htm

Women in ancient Israel:

Women's status and freedoms were severely limited by Jewish law and custom in ancient Israel, as they were in essentially all other cultures at the time. Generally speaking:
bullet most were restricted to roles of little or no authority,
bullet they were largely confined to their father's or husband's home,
bullet they were considered to be inferior to men, and under the authority of men -- either their father before marriage, or their husband afterwards.

From the Second Temple period, women were not allowed to testify in court trials. They could not go out in public, or talk to strangers. When outside of their homes, they were to be doubly veiled. "They had become second-class Jews, excluded from the worship and teaching of God, with status scarcely above that of slaves." 1 Their position in society was defined in the Hebrew Scriptures and in the interpretation of those scriptures. More details.

He ignored ritual impurity laws: Mark 5:25-34 describes Jesus' cure of a woman who suffered from menstrual bleeding for 12 years. In Judean society of the day, it was a major transgression for a man to talk to a woman other than his wife or children.

bullet He talked to foreign women: John 4:7 to 5:30 describes Jesus' conversation with a woman of Samaria. She was doubly ritually unclean since she was both a foreigner and a woman. Men were not allowed to talk to women, except within their own families. Jesus also helped a Canaanite woman, another foreigner, in Matthew 15:22-28. Although he described non-Jews as "dogs", he was willing to talk to her, and is recorded as having cured her daughter of demon-possession.

bullet He taught women students: Jewish tradition at the time was to not allow women to be taught. Rabbi Eliezer wrote in the 1st century CE: "Rather should the words of the Torah be burned than entrusted to a woman...Whoever teaches his daughter the Torah is like one who teaches her obscenity." 5 Jesus overthrew centuries of tradition. In Luke 10:38-42, he taught Mary, sister of Martha.

bullet He used terminology which treated women as equal to men:
bullet Luke 13:16 describes how he cured a woman from an indwelling Satanic spirit. He called her a daughter of Abraham, thus implying that she had equal status with sons of Abraham. "The expression 'son of Abraham' was commonly used to respectfully refer to a Jew, but 'daughter of Abraham', was an unknown parallel phrase...It occurs nowhere else in the Bible." 4 It seems to be a designation created by Jesus.

bullet Luke 7:35 to 8:50 describes how Jesus' forgave a woman's sins. He refers to women and men (i.e. "all" people) as children of wisdom.

bullet He accepted women in his inner circle: Luke 8:1-3 describes the inner circle of Jesus' followers: 12 male disciples and an unspecified number female supporters (Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Susanna and "many others.") It would appear that about half of his closest followers were women.

bullet He appeared first to one or more women after his resurrection: Matthew 28:9-10 describes how Mary Magdalene and "the other Mary" were the first followers of Jesus to meet him after his resurrection. (However, this account is contradicted by passages in 1 Corinthians, which state that the first person to see Jesus was Cleopas, Peter or all of the disciples.)

bullet Mostly women were present at Jesus' execution: Matthew 27:55-56 and Mark 15:40-41 describe many women who followed Jesus from Galilee and were present at his crucifixion. The men had fled from the scene. (John 19:25-27 contradicts this; the author describes John as being present with the women.)

bullet He told parallel male/female stories: The author of the Gospel of Luke and of Acts shows many parallel episodes: one relating to a woman, the other to a man. For example:
bullet Simeon and Hannah in Luke 2:25-38
bullet Widow of Sarepta and Naaman in Luke 4:25-38
bullet Healing of a man possessed by a demon and the healing of the mother of Peter's wife, starting in Luke 4:31
bullet The woman who had lived a sinful life and Simon, starting in Luke 7:36
bullet A man and woman sleeping together in Luke 17:34
bullet Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5:1-11
bullet Dionysius and Damaris in Acts 17:34
bullet Lydia and the jailer's conversion in Acts 16:14-34

The book "Women in the Earliest Churches" lists 9 additional parallels. 3 Author Ben Witherington III quotes H. Flender:

"Luke expresses by this arrangement that man and woman stand together and side by side before God. They are equal in honor and grace; they are endowed with the same gifts and have the same responsibilities."

Some theologians have speculated that the author of the Gospel of Luke might well have been a woman.

bullet He expressed concern for widows: Jesus repeated the importance of supporting widows throughout his ministry. The Gospel of Luke alone contains 6 references to widows: (Luke 2:36, 4:26, 7:11, 18:1, 20:47 and 21:1)

bullet Divorce: In Jesus' time, a man could divorce his wife, but the wife had no right to divorce her husband. This practice is supported by seven references in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) in which a husband can unilaterally give his wife a bill of divorce. There were no references to a woman giving her husband such a bill. In Mark 10:11-12, Jesus overthrows this tradition and states that neither spouse can divorce the other; he treats the wife and husband equally.
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http://www.religioustolerance.org/cfe_bibl.htm
 
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PeterCH said:
You don't know which came first. Since chauvinism is present in many if not virtually all ancient cultures (even Greece - where only some men could vote), there is a natural tendency for many men to exercise control or power over women. After all you will usually find that the strong bullies the weak and alpha (and other) males like to be in charge. However, you don't really know what the motivations of this guy were. He could have cited the Bible in desperation or he could have broken up recently. In all likelihood he was just desperate and frustrated that he can't control his woman.

Jesus' teachings were in context of the chauvinism and racism of ancient Palestine. However, He showed Himself to be equal towards men and women.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/cfe_bibl.htm

http://www.religioustolerance.org/cfe_bibl.htm
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I know we have gone off topic, but one more question:

From your quotes Jesus treated women and men equally... isn't that exactly the opposite of what these verses in the bible say ?

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God." 1 Cor 11:3

"Submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord” Ephesians 5:22–23
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FIFA condemns Ugandan attack

Why the hell is he commenting on this when it's go F-all to do with the WC ?


FIFA condemns Ugandan attack

Johannesburg - FIFA president Sepp Blatter on Monday condemned the bombings that killed 70 people watching the World Cup final in Uganda and expressed the hope that soccer could be a force for good around the globe.


Ugandan authorities blamed Somali Islamists for two attacks in Kampala that killed soccer fans watching the final in which Spain beat the Netherlands to take the trophy on Sunday night.
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Frankie said:
Why the hell is he commenting on this when it's go F-all to do with the WC ?
FIFA condemns Ugandan attack
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Ja... our local Optimists Brigade and Muslim Defense League is so intent on making sure that nobody associate this with the World Cup... that they are quite willing to ignore the fact that innocent people have been killed by terrorists. Just don't try to associate it with the World Cup... then you have really crossed the line and are worse than the terrorists! :rolleyes:

It's not really about the world cup or security or soccer or Sepp Blatter... it's about people killing people with explosives.
 
Garyvdh said:
Ja... our local Optimists Brigade and Muslim Defense League is so intent on making sure that nobody associate this with the World Cup... that they are quite willing to ignore the fact that innocent people have been killed by terrorists. Just don't try to associate it with the World Cup... then you have really crossed the line and are worse than the terrorists! :rolleyes:

It's not really about the world cup or security or soccer or Sepp Blatter... it's about people killing people with explosives.
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Sigh, even Frankie is disagreeing with you.
 
Fudzy said:
I don't think so. Frankie, can you clarify.

In any case, good of the Fifa pres to send his condolences.
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In fact it was more tongue in cheek than sarcastic - just thought it quite odd that some around here got their knickers in a knot just because a few news reporters had the audacity to link the Islamist terrorist attacks on soccer fans to the SA WC, and others took exception to the incident being linked to Muslims.

And just like the Fick Fufa boss, I also offer my condolences.
 
Frankie said:
In fact it was more tongue in cheek than sarcastic - just thought it quite odd that some around here got their knickers in a knot just because a few news reporters had the audacity to link the Islamist terrorist attacks on soccer fans to the SA WC, and others took exception to the incident being linked to Muslims.

And just like the Fick Fufa boss, I also offer my condolences.
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That's exactly what I thought you meant! ;)
 
Uganda bomb probe finds 'suicide vest' at dance hall, four suspects arrested

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...est_at_dance_hall_four_suspects_arrested.html

An unexploded "suicide vest" filled with ball bearings was discovered by investigators at a dance hall in Uganda's capital and is similar to the items found at the scene of Sunday's deadly explosions, officials said.

Tuesday's find in Kampala led to the arrests of four "foreign" suspects, the officials said.

The death toll from the Sunday blasts climbed to 76 people, including an American aid worker from Delaware.

The discovery of the vest was "a very significant lead in our investigation," Ugandan inspector general of police Kale Kaihura said.

He said the four men arrested could be from Somalia.

On Monday, Al Shabaab, a Somali Islamist militant group who want Ugandan peacekeeping forces out of their country, claimed responsibility for the weekend bloodbath.

The strike marks the first time the group has claimed responsibility for an attack outside of Somalia's borders.

"We warned them to stop massacring our people, and they ignored that. The explosions in Kampala were only a minor message to them," Al Shabaab leader Sheikh Ali Muhammad Raghe said after the attacks.

"We will target them everywhere if Uganda does not withdraw from our land."

The American killed, 25-year-old Nate Henn, was a volunteer for the group Invisible Children, a Christian aid organization that worked with Uganda's former child soldiers.

The suicide bombers attacked a rugby club and an Ethiopian restaurant as people watched the World Cup final.
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