The big question behind disabling P2P (WBS please read this)

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Ok, I am downloading at flat 8 KB/s (I am capped) for last 10 hours or so from HTTP and I guess it will keep going at that speed until there are stuff to download. So the speed limit of 64 kbps seem to work amazingly well now.

I want to know why I can't download at that speed from any protocol? What is the difference for WBS if I download this month 10 GB over HTTP or I download 10 GB over P2P ??? I don't get it!

Do they pay for their pipe on the number of TCP connections established, or maybe they pay different price for the connection on port 80 and the connections on port 6789 (just for example)?

Can some of the WBS representatives clarify this ... I really want to hear their stupid, not making any sense excuse!

If WBS do not reply with making sense answer to my question, I will assume that they don't know the right (if any) answer, so this will be a good reason why they should be looking for new jobs soon.
 
Swordfish data is data it costs the same. The only reason i can think of for blocking p2p is the exact reason why you want it. They dont want people downloading 24/7 on a capped account because that is going to cost them more. Sure you can d/l 24/7 http but you are more likely to be doing that if you are using p2p. I think it is obvious that wbs are not keen to attract the p2p market segment, if that is your "killer app" on the net then you need to look elsewhere.

My setup is iburst which i use for everything except p2p. I then fire up the isdn line over the weekend and let azureus get on with everything i have lined up for d/l during the week. I can d/l about 4gb (2 up 2 down) over a weekend. Total cost for ib and isdn works out at about R1150/pm.
 
But for that price would it not maybe be better for the 9g package? Not too sure what the cost there is or if its worth the money. I just think it is a bit unfair for this policy but then i suppose life's unfair - he he

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No i think my setup is better than the 9gb package for the same price.
Here is why.
4*4 + 3 = 19gb / month
Also now i have redundancy so if ib or my telkom line goes down i still have the other option.
 
yeah i don't understand why everyone has taken to limiting off p2p, Maybe its got something to do with it taking too much international bandwidth for their liking
 
think of p2p in america or in europe. essentially if you are in america using p2p you probably only going to peer with other americans which is equivalent to south africans peering with south africans.

now south africa being as little as we are in terms of the internet dont as big as a user base as europe or america, however where p2p needs to form is within our own country if we would like to see it take off. ofcourse with isp's in general shaping this traffic they doing what most communication companies do well and that is stifle growth.

i think the biggest problem is generational. the younger generation love the fact that they can get their favourite mp3's and movies on the net where as the older generation who run these business are probably passionate about the technology but not neccessarily he content available on the technology. ie in another 10-20 years we might see companies lax over this. this ofcourse is a huge generalisation and not all older folk are as i say.

i think another problem is the cost of international bw. being so overpriced because of the company we all love to hate, telkom, we would see internet providers be wary of this.

my 2 cent offering.
 
daveogg, why not consider ADSL? The home one cost R329 + R580 for 30 GB from "All you can eat" + R87 phone line = R996. It is far more reliable than iBurst, no stupid shaping and crap.

So with ADSL you get 30GB for R996 (including your phone line rental as it is mandatory even if you don't want it), with iBurst you get 9GB for R1100 and lot of bullsh1t. What's the point? If I wanted to spend near R1000 pm for internet I would have definitely chosen ADSL.
 
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daveogg, why not consider ADSL? The home one cost R329 + R580 for 30 GB from "All you can eat" + R87 phone line = R996. It is far more reliable than iBurst, no stupid shaping and crap.

So with ADSL you get 30GB for R996 (including your phone line rental as it is mandatory even if you don't want it), with iBurst you get 9GB for R1100 and lot of bullsh1t. What's the point? If I wanted to spend near R1000 pm for internet I would have definitely chosen ADSL.
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i agree with swordfish... if i had that kinda budget i would certainly try other offers out there.
 
Because every night i pick up my little modem and tooter off to work and then surf all night.

Well not quite i do do some work now and then.
 
yeah mobility ...

fortunately I use very seldom internet outside my home or work so GPRS works just fine for me when it comes to mobility, even though it is R2 per MB :-) (R1 and R0.50 if you buy 100MB or 1GB)
 
well halicon, it is not very mobile, but it works when you want to use it at work and at home I guess, as long as you have good signal at both locations, and you don't mind the inconvenience of disconnecting cables etc :-)

You can't use it with your laptop while in your car for example, even if you are under the tower :-) as it need power, does not run on battery, as MyWireless does ...

The GPRS is the ultimate mobility (besides satellite of course, if you can afford it), you can use it everywhere, without power, as long as your cell phone and laptop batteries aren't dead :-) also the coverage is far better than that of iBurst and MyWireless together :-)
 
still for dave he is effectively using the same device in two locations which is a cost saver unlike having adsl at both locations. although a problem with the solution is when iburst goes down he does not have inet connectivity at both locations, but i suspect most of us have the ole 56k in times of need and desperation.
 
its not blocked, its just with the nature of p2p and packet shaping its hindered to the point where its not effective, if p2p is what you're about you simply sign up for somethign else, we all know the deal. I don't think a p2p topic a day will change anything
 
Couldnt agree with you guys more - unfortunately i also use it in 2 locations
 
swordfish1 said:
well halicon, it is not very mobile, but it works when you want to use it at work and at home I guess, as long as you have good signal at both locations, and you don't mind the inconvenience of disconnecting cables etc :-)

You can't use it with your laptop while in your car for example, even if you are under the tower :-) as it need power, does not run on battery, as MyWireless does ...

The GPRS is the ultimate mobility (besides satellite of course, if you can afford it), you can use it everywhere, without power, as long as your cell phone and laptop batteries aren't dead :-) also the coverage is far better than that of iBurst and MyWireless together :-)
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I got one of those cheap cigarette adapters with the various attachment and connected it, and the modem works fine in the car. I also tried connecting the modem to a 9 volt battery(the big square jobby) well that did not work but at least the modem survived. Anyone with any ideas for a battery pack??
 
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I got one of those cheap cigarette adapters with the various attachment and connected it, and the modem works fine in the car. I also tried connecting the modem to a 9 volt battery(the big square jobby) well that did not work but at least the modem survived. Anyone with any ideas for a battery pack??
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Get an inverter for your car. It converts your 12v into 220v (the same as the power in you house). You can pick up 1000W inverter for under R1500 at most outdoor warehouses. It works beautifully; u can literally use any electronically appliance in your car.
 
Yap! Swordfish1 u are super right! But there are still lotz of wbs defenders here think we agree the crap wbs services initially. Some ppls talk make me suspect they even work for wbs. :p
 
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