The Boeing 787 Dreamliner Thread

Air India Dreamliner on London-Delhi route makes emergency landing at IGI - See more

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"The flight AI 116 sought priority landing yesterday around 2:30 am after pilots found some warning lights blipping as they were approaching Delhi," Air India officials said.

The lights indicated problems with the braking system that prompted the pilots to seek priority landing, they said, adding that the aircraft, with 174 passengers and 10 crew members on board, landed safely.

Airport sources said that emergency procedures were put in place for the aircraft which was operating on the London-Delhi sector. The Boeing 787 landed safely on Runway 28 at 0222 hours, they added.

The incident came hours after the windshield of another Dreamliner in Air India's fleet developed cracks while landing at Melbourne airport.

The cracked windshield was being replaced by a new one, reports from Melbourne said, adding that the aircraft was expected to return New Delhi on Monday evening.
(Agencies)

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All new aircraft have issues but is is ridiculous
 
Brawler said:
All new aircraft have issues but is is ridiculous
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If I was the head of a airline with this plane on order I would tell Boeing to keep their plane and switch to Airbus......but sure it is not as easy as that. All the early slots for the A350 is not finished anyway I am sure. I just hope the A350 does not have these issues. This could be Airbus's chance to kick Boeing squarely in the bloomers! :D
 
Air India Boeing 787 Dreamliner windscreen cracks on landing in Melbourne

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AN Air India Dreamliner windshield has cracked while landing in Australia, an airline official says, the latest in a string of mishaps the aircraft has suffered in recent times.

The Delhi-Melbourne-Sydney-Delhi flight, carrying 74 passengers, developed a crack late on Sunday while landing in Melbourne, Air India spokesman Praveen Bhatnagar said.

"The cockpit windscreen developed a crack while landing. It was a small incident. The windscreen has already been replaced," said Mr Bhatnagar, adding that there was no risk to the safety of passengers.

While all passengers were transferred to another flight to Delhi, Air India flew in a new windshield from India to replace the cracked one.

Air India Dreamliner touched down in Australia in September after a 16-year gap, marking the resumption of direct flights to Australia.

However, the Air India Boeing 787 Dreamliner fleet has been suffering technical glitches of late, including an incident where the fuselage panel of a jet fell off last month while landing in the southern city of Bangalore.

The Dreamliner has encountered several serious difficulties since entering operation two years ago, especially with its batteries, causing the entire fleet to be grounded for about four months earlier this year.

But Air India dismissed any claims of technical glitches on the Melbourne-bound flight.

"It was no aircraft glitch. This may have happened due to rapid change in temperatures or some other particles on the windscreen while landing," said Mr Bhatnagar.

Scandinavian operator Norwegian Air Shuttle has also criticised the plane's reliability after it found a flaw in the electrical system.
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Japan Airlines said that a Boeing 787 Dreamliner flight from Helsinki to Tokyo experienced problems with the same type of battery that caught fire in Boston in January and grounded the 787 fleet worldwide for three months.

The JAL website said on Sunday that the battery on JAL flight 414 on Friday did not overheat or emit smoke, but that a cockpit indicator showed trouble with the battery connected to the plane's auxiliary power unit during the flight.

(Read more: Boeing boosts Dreamliner production plans)
"However, the voltage and electrical current were within normal range and there was no effect on the remainder of the flight," the airline added.


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Inspections of the battery, which was removed and replaced, were continuing.
Boeing officials were not immediately available for comment.

The 787 Dreamliner, Boeing's state-of-the-art jet, has two large lithium-ion batteries that provide backup power to aircraft systems. The 787 fleet was grounded for three months early this year after those batteries burned on two jets within two weeks.

(Read more: Japan Airlines orders 31 A350 jets from Airbus)
The first incident occurred on a JAL plane that had landed in Boston, and the second on an All Nippon Airways plane that experienced battery overheating during a domestic flight and made an emergency landing.

Boeing redesigned the battery and charger system and added a steel box to prevent burning.
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Not saying it is because of this .... but JAL have now become a Airbus client by ordering the A350. Big blow to Boeing as historically JAL have been a very loyal customer ... so have most of Japan's airlines actually I think. Now Airbus have got a foot in the door.
 
Boeing 787 receives U.S. approval for extended operations

(Reuters) - The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration on Wednesday approved extended operations for Boeing's (BA.N) 787 Dreamliner, a move that will allow a wider range of routes and that marks a vote of confidence in the high-tech jet at a time of renewed scrutiny.

The approval, known as ETOPS, will allow airlines to fly routes that are up to 330 minutes, or 5-1/2 hours, away from a landing field, versus the 180-minute, or three-hour, limit in place since the Dreamliner was launched in 2011.

"Granting of the expanded operational permission will allow airlines to introduce additional routes after they meet the proof of capabilities requirements and receive approval from their own regulatory agencies," Boeing said.

The FAA approval formally applies only to U.S. carriers, and within that group only United Airlines (UAL.N) now operates the 787. But regulators in other countries typically follow the FAA's lead. Airlines apply their own rules for extended operations and could take time to actually begin flying those routes.

"Airline approval is a completely different process and it can vary airline by airline," said Boeing spokeswoman Lori Gunter.

United Airlines was not immediately available to comment. The FAA said it was preparing a statement on the approval, but declined to comment further.

Last week, the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board urged further testing for the 787 to ensure that large lithium-ion batteries the plane uses are safe from overheating and fire.

The NTSB recommendations came even before it had finished investigating what caused a battery to burn on a Japan Airlines Co (9201.T) 787 in January 2013. Another battery overheated on an All Nippon Airways (9202.T) plane later the same month, prompting regulators to ground the global fleet until April that year. Boeing redesigned the battery and charger and designed a steel box to contain fires and vent hot gasses outside the plane.

The NTSB said tests originally devised to ensure the batteries were safe were insufficient, since they did not produce the conditions that occurred in the actual battery incidents. The board also said outside experts should be consulting in designing tests.

The NTSB recommendations "are logical because we don't know yet what were the root cause or causes," said Hans Weber, a former FAA adviser and president of TECOP International, an aerospace consulting firm based in San Diego, California.

The FAA approval nevertheless moves airlines an important step closer to tapping the full potential of the Dreamliner, which burns 15 percent less fuel than the Boeing 767.

The approval was of little concern to investors, one Wall Street analyst said. Boeing's stock was up 0.4 percent at $134.70.

But the approval appeared to come sooner than expected and its timing was seen by some as a sign of continuing tension between the two agencies, one charged with investigating accidents and the other with ensuring safety.

"It certainly does seem like there's some conflict between the NTSB and the FAA," said Richard Aboulafia, an analyst at the Teal Group in Fairfax, Virginia.
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I would not want to be 5 hours away from a runway in this plane. :wtf:
 
So this long range plane can't even fly New York to London?

So it seems it only suitable for domestic flights or those where there is very little water involved between destinations and suitable airports en route.
 
ponder said:
So this long range plane can't even fly New York to London?

So it seems it only suitable for domestic flights or those where there is very little water involved between destinations and suitable airports en route.
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Not sure, but there might be islands with runways on the route that could make it possible without having the extended operations clearance. The old Boeing 757 could fly between US and Britain, so must be possible for the 787
 
Why is it some people seem to regard aeroplane brands with almost religious fervour?

Boeing make a very capable and innovative plan in the 787. Yes, some of the most innovative subsystems need debugging, but that work is being done, and the whole industry will benefit. However, the airframe, engines and avionics are stunningly good.

Why this animus, I wonder?
 
Arthur said:
Why is it some people seem to regard aeroplane brands with almost religious fervour?

Boeing make a very capable and innovative plan in the 787. Yes, some of the most innovative subsystems need debugging, but that work is being done, and the whole industry will benefit. However, the airframe, engines and avionics are stunningly good.

Why this animus, I wonder?
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People that are interested in this kind of thing will normally root for either Boeing or Airbus, or even Embraer or Bombardier. The people on the street do not really care.
 
Yes.

I am intensely interested in aviation. Been flying since the age of 11.

That's why I wonder why you and others here favour one over the other ... It seems almost a priori.
 
Arthur said:
Why is it some people seem to regard aeroplane brands with almost religious fervour?

Why this animus, I wonder?
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It's just the way people are. Audi vs BMW vs Merc, Honda vs Yamaha, DeWalt vs Black & Decker etc

You always seem to have a stick up your arse, why is that?
 
ponder said:
It's just the way people are. Audi vs BMW vs Merc, Honda vs Yamaha, DeWalt vs Black & Decker etc

You always seem to have a stick up your arse, why is that?
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Huh? So asking why the animus against Boeing is stick up arse?

I'm asking why people have a stick up the arse about Boeing. Curiosity. Sorry if you find that offensive. It's an innocent question.
 
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