The Boeing 787 Dreamliner Thread

With all of these issues surely pax going to start opting for non-787 flights now? I certainly would avoid flying on one.
 
Brawler said:
With all of these issues surely pax going to start opting for non-787 flights now? I certainly would avoid flying on one.
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That's a non starter. Lots of people said they would refuse to fly the A380 but if the price is right most people will fly on a plane with one engine working and a wonky safety record. Look at the Bangladesh Biman DC-10 that ploughed the skies between the US and Brussels for years and years. The thing was held together with duct tape and superglue and was always late and always full. Money does funny things to people's heads.
 
Excellent!!!!!!!!!

Now, this is why you should not step a foot into a Dreamliner. This is why many airliners will now cancel orders for Dreamliners. This is why Airbus will now experience growth like never before.
 
TJ99 said:
Ockie will be most displeased...
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Arthur said:
Isn't Ockie's an Airbus fan? So perhaps not. Schadenfreude?
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/Evil grin

GO AIRBUS!!!


Seriously though....I may not be a big Boeing fan ... but thank god no one was hurt.

I personally would not want to set foot on one of these fcking planes.

Time for airlines to rather switch their orders to the A350 me thinks. :-)
 
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DJ... said:
Uh, cabin crew please take your seats and prepare for final descent...
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Reminds me of a song by Laurie Anderson - "From the air" :



Good evening. This is your Captain.
We are about to attempt a crash landing.
Please extinuish all cigarettes.
Place your tray tables in their
upright, locked position.
Your Captain says: Put your head on your knees.
Your Captain says: Put your head on your hands.
Captain says: Put your hands on your head.
Put your hands on your hips. Heh heh.
This is your Captain-and we are going down.
We are all going down, together.
And I said: Uh oh. This is gonna be some day.
Standby. This is the time.
And this is the record of the time.
This is the time. And this is the record of the time.

Uh-this is your Captain again.
You know, I've got a funny feeling I've seen this all
before.
 
It's about time Boeing fitted temperature sensors to these batteries.
 
FlatspinZA said:
Outsourcing has failed Boeing: http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2021045270_boeingoutsourcingxml.html

I have always disliked Airbus, but that's because they feel wonky in the air compared to a Boeing.
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Nice report.

I, too, have been less than enthusiastic about Airbus, especially in the early days. The company's entry into commercial aviation was driven by European chauvinism and funded by taxpayers' money, a luxury Boeing never had.

(Oh, it's useless trying to argue 'tax dollars to Boeing for military contracts' - the same applies to Airbus, and military projects are financially ring-fenced and don't apply to civil airliner business. There's a vast body of literature on this topic, along with the European media unconvincingly trying to defend Airbus. The fact is, European governments sank tens of billions into Airbus civil aviation business, an advantage privately-owned Boeing never had. Sure, Airbus is now largely privatized, but its start-up was state-funded, which is bleh.)

Boeing commercial airliners used to represent the best of private enterprise. Now state-created entities like Airbus have changed the dynamics, eaten a huge hunk out of Boeing, and damaged commercial aviation in the long term.

In my view, Airbus's ultimately state-funded growth put intolerable cost pressures on Boeing, forcing them to outsource essential subsystem engineering, which eventuated in the Dreamliner's electrical problems.

Of course I know that in this post-free-enterprise world this is a fruitless line of argument. This is what saddens me most about this whole affair.
 
Arthur said:
Nice report.

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So ... it is all Airbus's fault that the 787 is bursting into flames all over the place and making u turns back to the airports cause of funky sensors and other technical issues?

Ok ... I did not know that.

I guess it could also be said that thanks to Airbus there is competition in the industry and inovation took place. If not .... we might still be flying in these:

707-marmet.jpg


But instead ... we now have this:

a380familyop0.jpg
 
Ockie said:
So ... it is all Airbus's fault that the 787 is bursting into flames all over the place and making u turns back to the airports cause of funky sensors and other technical issues?

Ok ... I did not know that.
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Huh? I didn't even vaguely suggest that. Wherejagetthatfrom?

Airbus is not responsible for their governments' funding decisions - the governments are. And they're bad decisions for Boeing and for the industry. But Airbus is not to blame, and neither should they be.

And I do think they do make nice aeroplanes. My point is a different one entirely.
 
Arthur said:
In my view, Airbus's ultimately state-funded growth put intolerable cost pressures on Boeing, forcing them to outsource essential subsystem engineering, which eventuated in the Dreamliner's electrical problems.
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Arthur said:
Huh? I didn't even vaguely suggest that. Wherejagetthatfrom?

Airbus is not responsible for their governments' funding decisions - the governments are. And they're bad decisions for Boeing and for the industry. But Airbus is not to blame, and neither should they be.

And I do think they do make nice aeroplanes. My point is a different one entirely.
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Ok....if I missunderstood your statement then I do appologise.
 
There was a period where I used to fly hideously frequently, at least once a week locally and once per month internationally.
I never really had the luxury of picking dates and flights, it was usually on very very short notice.
I seem to have found Airbus to be quieter. Has anyone else noticed this ?
 
grantza said:
There was a period where I used to fly hideously frequently, at least once a week locally and once per month internationally.
I never really had the luxury of picking dates and flights, it was usually on very very short notice.
I seem to have found Airbus to be quieter. Has anyone else noticed this ?
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I have heard a few people say this actually. I cant really compare though as the last time I flew on a big Boeing was as a kid on SAL on our way to NZ ... and then on a Airbus SAA A340 to London. A340 was pretty nice ... I was sitting on the wing right by the engines so I could definatley hear the soothing hum of them but cant say if the plane was quieter than a 7417 for example.

I do think that most of the noise comes from the engines and some from the air rushing over the airframe .... and the biggest breakthrough regarding noise is going to be the new Pratt & Whitney's . Something reduculaaas quieter ... something like 75% in the noise footprint. Cant wait to see how they gonna upsize these babies for the larger wide bodies :D
 
Ockie said:
.. I was sitting on the wing right by the engines
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Ockie Ockie Ockie
ALWAYS sit in front of the wing.
The reason I may have noticed is the travel agent had my seat preference, so at least 80% of the time I was sitting in the same place on either boeing or airbus
 
grantza said:
Ockie Ockie Ockie
ALWAYS sit in front of the wing.
The reason I may have noticed is the travel agent had my seat preference, so at least 80% of the time I was sitting in the same place on either boeing or airbus
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But then I wont be able to see if a bird ever gets sucked into it :-(

:p
 
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