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Dave said:
It's about time the more normal Tory politicians came out against the retarded morons like Rees Mogg and his supporters.

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"Normal" - lol. All of them as Thatcher would say are "Tory Wets". Conservative in name only. Just did a check - all of them voted Remain (no surprises really). The pseudo outrage from the Wets is hilarious - all Mogg is trying to do is for her to respect the referendum result which I'm now resigned she won't. The betrayal won't be forgotten.

They all just resign and join their true home - the Liberal Democrats.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
The betrayal won't be forgotten.
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By Jacob, Nigel, Aaron and yourself? Will you start a resistance terrorist movement? Will Katie Hopkins cook for you guys while you meet undercover in some of Jacob's castles secret tunnel?
 
f2wohf said:
By Jacob, Nigel, Aaron and yourself? Will you start a resistance terrorist movement? Will Katie Hopkins cook for you guys while you meet undercover in some of Jacob's castles secret tunnel?
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Nope, Labour will just get in but they will screw up everything so badly (Corbyn couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery) that the Conservatives will win the next election after that.

Conservative voters voted 60-40 for Brexit, Einstein (source. Although this is based on the 2015 electorate - I suspect it is far more Brexity after the collapse of the UKIP vote and some conservative remoaner voters going off and voting for the crypto Commie). It's the Remoaner Tory MPs who not in tune with their own support base. Dave quite rich in saying Mogg is not the normal one...from a Conservative voter point of view, Mogg is far more in tune than any of those pathetic MPs are.

And yes as predicted, the info has leaked. May, the great sell-out.

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Cometh the hour, cometh the man from Somerset!

Anyway off to watch the Poms beat the druggies in soccer! Chow!
 
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Chris_the_Brit said:
Conservative voters voted 60-40 for Brexit, Einstein (source.
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They seem to have changed their stance now that they realize the lies they've been sold...

Nearly half of Tory voters would support a second referendum on the UK’s final Brexit deal, according to a new poll.

Survation interviewed 1,507 voters who supported the Conservatives at either the 2015 or 2017 general election and found 47% said they would also support their MP if they proposed remaining part of a customs union with the EU after March 2019.

Six out of ten said they believed it was right for politicians to “put country before party” on Brexit - suggesting a high level of support for Tory rebels Ken Clarke and Anna Soubry, who will table an amendment to the trade bill which would keep the UK in a form of customs union - against the government’s position.

Those taking party in the study, carried out on behalf of pro-Europe group Citizens For Britain, were defined by the pollsters as either “joiners” - voting Conservative in 2017 only; “loyalists”, supporting Theresa May’s party in both elections; or “defectors” - voting Conservative in 2015 but not 2017.


More than 60% of respondents in London - and 46% nationwide - said they wanted to see the final Brexit deal put to a second public vote, putting them more in line with the views of more traditionally “left” parties.
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https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/en...eals_uk_5ab169c4e4b0decad044e169?guccounter=1
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Nope, Labour will just get in but they will screw up everything so badly (Corbyn couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery) that the Conservatives will win the next election after that.

Conservative voters voted 60-40 for Brexit, Einstein (source. Although this is based on the 2015 electorate - I suspect it is far more Brexity after the collapse of the UKIP vote and some conservative remoaner voters going off and voting for the crypto Commie). It's the Remoaner Tory MPs who not in tune with their own support base. Dave quite rich in saying Mogg is not the normal one...from a Conservative voter point of view, Mogg is far more in tune than any of those pathetic MPs are.

And yes as predicted, the info has leaked. May, the great sell-out.

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LOL, it was to be expected with the almost universal criticism now (other than the racists, xenophobes and little Englander morons).

A disastrous Brexit could see the Tories out of power for decades.

Cometh the hour, cometh the [-]man[/-] retarded moron millionaire expat hedgefunding little englander from Somerset!
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Fixed that for you...
 
Brexit's biggest campaign donor 'investigated by National Crime Agency over links to Russia'

Brexit’s biggest campaign donor is reportedly being investigated by the National Crime Agency (NCA) over alleged links to Russia.

The NCA was handed emails belonging to multimillionaire Arron Banks, co-founder of the Leave.EU campaign, revealing previously undisclosed meetings between the businessman and the Russian ambassador in London, according to The Times.

The emails reportedly show Mr Banks was offered three Russian business deals in the buildup to the Brexit vote, including a gold mine in west Africa and a stake in Russia’s state-owned diamond mining organisation Alrosa.
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Dave said:
If Trump loses the next election there's a good chance the Yanks might start asking questions about him as well.
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The Republicans aren't interested in investigating anything, but Mueller might be...

Special counsel Mueller reportedly interested in Brexit boosters' ties to Trump associates, Russia

Special counsel Robert Mueller's team is interested in a British businessman and his pro-Brexit associates' contacts with Russian diplomats and Trump campaign operatives, The Washington Post reported.

Wealthy businessman Arron Banks reportedly met the Russian ambassador to London in August 2016, the Post reported.

Less than a week later, Banks and his associates traveled to attend a fundraiser in Mississippi, where they had been invited by then-campaign chief executive Steve Bannon.
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Dave said:
Do you think Mueller has the power to really damage Trump? I think it's going to need a new President first.

Though Aaron Banks is neck deep in this Russian business, both for Brexit and Trump.
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He does, but only if Republicans in Congress care at all, which so far they've shown no inclination.

The consensus is probably that a sitting President can't be indicted, meaning he'd have to be impeached first. Even if that passes the House, I doubt you'd get 2/3rds of Senators to vote to convict. So it's entirely possible Mueller delivers incredibly damning findings and it'll get completely ignored. Trump and his GOP toadies have been trial-running multiple PR campaigns gaslighting people about what various investigations have already found. No reason they won't do it again.

However, if Dems take the House in November, you might start seeing them actually starting to do some oversight into Trump and his cabinet's staggering corruption, among other things. Something the GOP has been uniformly uninterested in so far. Then things might get more interesting.
 
Tory Eurosceptics warn the Conservative Party will be 'toast' if Theresa May 'welches' on Brexit

May has been warned. Jacob Rees-Mogg such an outlier in the Tory party that he leads the ERG...ok :crylaugh:.

Excellent news. Nobody got time for doom-mongers!

Tory Eurosceptics have warned Theresa May that the Conservative Party will be "toast" if it "welches" on Brexit in a furious meeting as backbenchers warned that Tory splits are worse than divides over Maastricht.

A group of 50 Eurosceptic Tory MPs, led by Jacob Rees-Mogg, yesterday issued a series of stark warnings to Julian Smith, the Chief Whip, amid fury about the Prime Minister's plans for post-Brexit trade arrangements.

MPs mounted a series of outspoken attacks on Oliver Robbins, the Prime Minister's EU sherpa, and said that ministers such as David Davis, the Brexit Secretary, must be in the room during negotiations with Brussels.

They also said that the Brexit divorce bill must be "conditional" on striking a post-Brexit trade deal, and said that planning for No Deal must be much more "visible".

One MP was met with banging of tables by colleagues after calling for "doom-mongering" Remainers in the Cabinet to be removed during a reshuffle.

James Gray, a Tory MP, said that a meeting of Tory Eurosceptics on Tuesday night had been the "angriest such meeting he had ever been to", suggesting it was even worse than the splits over Maastricht.

Mr Smith is said to have read out the manifesto during the meeting including pledges to end influence the European Court of Justice and end free movement.

He is said to have insisted that the Prime Minister will follow the manifesto "to the letter".

Mr Smith is also understood to have given an "unequivocal" guarantee that the transition period after Brexit will not be extended, despite suggestions from both Leave and Remain Cabinet ministers that it could be.

It comes amid warnings that the Prime Minister is facing an "almighty row" with Eurosceptic Cabinet ministers on Friday at Chequers amid accusations that she is pursuing the "softest Brexit possible".

On Tuesday it emerged that the Prime Minister's new "third way" on customs arrangements will revive key parts of Theresa May's customs partnership, which Eurosceptics fear will lead to a significant compromise on Brexit.

The plans are expected to see Britain enter into a single market on goods with the EU, collect tariffs on the EU's behalf and potentially open the door for the European Court of Justice to have a role in arbitrating future trade disputes.

A Cabinet source told The Telegraph: "This doesn't work, it is a fiction designed to keep us in the EU and Single Market. It's just the Customs Partnership dressed up with another name."
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In some other absolutely fantastic news, the UK will own the seas up to 200 miles. Especially since most fishermen voted for Brexit precisely based on the unfairness! Also Michael Gove was a Leaver, so obvious he understands the need to respect the referendum result.

Britain to 'own' the sea and fish in it up to 200 miles from the coast for first time in decades under Michael Gove plan

Britain will ‘own’ the sea and the fish in it up to 200 miles from the coast for the first time in decades after the UK leaves the European Union, under plans set out today.

The Government is proposing a new “zonal attachment” way of deciding which country owns the fish and how they should be shared out.

A new fishing white paper sets out ways for "fairer" allocation of fishing opportunities based on the distribution of fish stocks and moving away from a system based on fishing patterns from the 1970s.

The “zonal attachment” scheme will replace the current European Union fishing quotas which gives EU trawlers the rights to fish 60 per cent of the fish in UK waters up to 12 miles from the UK coast.

EU Member States currently land around eight times as much fish in UK waters than the UK does in EU Member States’ waters.

The decision by Mr Gove and Prime Minister Theresa May to publish the white paper before the Brexit talks begin will make it much harder for officials to trade away fishing rights as part of the negotiations.

One fisheries source said the plans gave the industry the chance “to double in size” adding: “Having got this white paper out it massively once again cranks up the political price of failure.”
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Chris_the_Brit said:
In some other absolutely fantastic news, the UK will own the seas up to 200 miles. Especially since most fishermen voted for Brexit precisely based on the unfairness! Also Michael Gove was a Leaver, so obvious he understands the need to respect the referendum result.

Britain to 'own' the sea and fish in it up to 200 miles from the coast for first time in decades under Michael Gove plan
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God, but you post (and believe) a lot of crap.

You do realise a lot of UK fishing quotas have been sold to foreign boats by the UK permit holders?

Brexit won't be changing that...

Take it from a Brexit supporting tabloid:

But it turns out that foreign firms already own a big slice of British fishing rights and will continue to do so permanently. Why? Because British companies sold their quotas. Spanish firms own 88 per cent of Welsh fishing rights and most of the quota from the Bristol Channel to the Scottish border.

Dutch and Icelandic firms control most of our East Coast fishing. European seas are split into sectors and governments hand out quotas specifying how much of each type of fish can be caught. Unlike in other countries the Environment Department allows any or all of its quotas to be sold to foreign trawler firms.

“England and Wales have mismanaged their fishing quota and Brexit will do nothing to put it right,” says law lecturer Tom Appleby.

The fishing industry has largely gone the way of so much of British business, manufacturing and utilities that have been sold off to Chinese, American and other foreign investors with the approval of successive governments.

No use moaning about it now because the family silver has long gone in return for a quick but one-off profit.
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https://www.express.co.uk/comment/c...rth-sea-bristol-channel-blue-passports-brexit
 
Dave said:
God, but you post (and believe) a lot of crap.

You do realise a lot of UK fishing quotas have been sold to foreign boats by the UK permit holders?

Brexit won't be changing that...

Take it from a Brexit supporting tabloid:



https://www.express.co.uk/comment/c...rth-sea-bristol-channel-blue-passports-brexit
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I trust that the estimated 92% of fishermen who voted Leave probably have a better understanding than you or I of the CFP. The bigger dilemma would seem to be gaining market access to EU as the Brits don't seem to enjoy much of the seafood. There is plenty of legitimate criticism of the CFP.
 
buka001 said:
Fantastic thread regarding the history of Russia's view on the EU.

Does inspire more thought on Mr Banks and Reese-Mogg and where all their money cane from.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1014431972662358021.html
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Jacob Rees-Mogg is an incredibly wealthy person, both in his own right, and who he married. Why would he need money from the Russians?

Rees-Mogg has defended offshore tax havens, and his vast wealth (£100,000,000+, with his wife, when she comes into her inheritance, as of November 2016)[32] has left him open to the criticism that he can not understand the lives and concerns of many ordinary people
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rees-Mogg#Career
 
Oh and relates to the post above, a picture from a 1983 advert from the Tories. Just for Chris.

Maggie Thatcher was the leader at that time, just in case you may have forgotten.
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